Barong Classification

ariel · 1st April 2005, 04:54 PM

Very useful introduction. Many thanks.
Now, if only somebody would do the same with these blasted Visayan weapons! Every time I read yet another casual remark about some fine point of a tenegre vs. sansibar (?), I get frustrated.

It is as if these buggers invented their own language and keep it sectret from us, mortals!

Come on, guys! We, the ignoramuses, need your help!
And please illustrate your points with pics.

Spunjer · 1st April 2005, 07:46 PM

ann,

this might help you out a bit. the date you've provided falls within this time frame. it could've have been captured during one of the skirmishes that led up to the battle of bud bagsak in sulu. here's an excerpt:

"From January-June, the whole Moro ward of Lati (located at the eastern most tip of Sulu Mainland) with a population of between 6,000 to 10,000, fortified themselves in a cotta in Mt. Bagsak. On June 11, 1913 Gen. John Pershing ordered the attack with the assistance of Charlie Schuck who reported that it was easy to attack The Moro Fort. General Pershing and his American military attacked the Fort at Bud Bagsak. The Muslim led by their Nakil Amil bravely defended their Fort, first with guns and bullets and knives and bolos.

The four-day battle was personally led by U.S. Brigadier General John "Black Jack" J. Pershing of the 8th Infantry and Philippine Scouts against Moro resistance fighters armed mostly with kris, barongs, spears and few guns. In many other battles in the Morolands, the U.S. Army Colt 0.45 caliber pistol was tested and perfected as an effective "man stopper" against the brave Moro fighters.

During the battle Pershing came up to the front line and: "Stood so close to the trench, directing operations, that his life was endangered by flying barongs and spears which were being continually hurled from the Moro stronghold." At this point in the battle, Pershing sent American officers into the front lines to lead the attack. But, after four days, the Fort at Bud Bagsak, along with every warrior fell. General Pershing in a letter to his wife, he wrote: "THE FIGHTING WAS THE FIERCEST I HAVE EVER SEEN." The Moros fought like Devils. They justified the observation Pershing had made of them: "They are absolutely fearless, and once committed to combat they count death as a mere incident."

hope this helps...

ariel,

good luck with the visayan weapons...

Battara · 1st April 2005, 08:47 PM

Not bad, Spunger. Have one question, on Samal pommel angles, I thought that the angle was not prependicular to the blade but more of a 90 degree angle almost in line in angle to the blade.

Spunjer · 1st April 2005, 09:16 PM

jose,

i stand corrected. you're right, that'd make more sense...

1st April 2005, 04:54 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Very useful introduction. Many thanks. Now, if only somebody would do the same with these blasted Visayan weapons! Every time I read yet another casual remark about some fine point of a tenegre vs. sansibar (?), I get frustrated. It is as if these buggers invented their own language and keep it sectret from us, mortals! Come on, guys! We, the ignoramuses, need your help! And please illustrate your points with pics.

1st April 2005, 07:46 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	ann, this might help you out a bit. the date you've provided falls within this time frame. it could've have been captured during one of the skirmishes that led up to the battle of bud bagsak in sulu. here's an excerpt: "From January-June, the whole Moro ward of Lati (located at the eastern most tip of Sulu Mainland) with a population of between 6,000 to 10,000, fortified themselves in a cotta in Mt. Bagsak. On June 11, 1913 Gen. John Pershing ordered the attack with the assistance of Charlie Schuck who reported that it was easy to attack The Moro Fort. General Pershing and his American military attacked the Fort at Bud Bagsak. The Muslim led by their Nakil Amil bravely defended their Fort, first with guns and bullets and knives and bolos. The four-day battle was personally led by U.S. Brigadier General John "Black Jack" J. Pershing of the 8th Infantry and Philippine Scouts against Moro resistance fighters armed mostly with kris, barongs, spears and few guns. In many other battles in the Morolands, the U.S. Army Colt 0.45 caliber pistol was tested and perfected as an effective "man stopper" against the brave Moro fighters. During the battle Pershing came up to the front line and: "Stood so close to the trench, directing operations, that his life was endangered by flying barongs and spears which were being continually hurled from the Moro stronghold." At this point in the battle, Pershing sent American officers into the front lines to lead the attack. But, after four days, the Fort at Bud Bagsak, along with every warrior fell. General Pershing in a letter to his wife, he wrote: "THE FIGHTING WAS THE FIERCEST I HAVE EVER SEEN." The Moros fought like Devils. They justified the observation Pershing had made of them: "They are absolutely fearless, and once committed to combat they count death as a mere incident." hope this helps... ariel, good luck with the visayan weapons...

1st April 2005, 08:47 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	Not bad, Spunger. Have one question, on Samal pommel angles, I thought that the angle was not prependicular to the blade but more of a 90 degree angle almost in line in angle to the blade.

1st April 2005, 09:16 PM	#4
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	jose, i stand corrected. you're right, that'd make more sense...