Barung --- Origin?

kronckew · 20th July 2008, 07:32 PM

the MOP shapes fastened on a wooden pin or post must be a common moro decorative technique:

Kris hilt

Maurice · 20th July 2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

the MOP shapes fastened on a wooden pin or post must be a common moro decorative technique:
Kris hilt

Tnx for the picture !

kai · 20th July 2008, 11:33 PM

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the MOP shapes fastened on a wooden pin or post must be a common moro decorative technique

Yup. It's the traditional way to attach halves of scabbards and other parts like pommels so it's bound to be also utilized in other/later applications.

MOP is too brittle so pins must be made from other materials.

Regards,
Kai

Battara · 21st July 2008, 12:04 AM

Kai to answer your question, mine is probably Tausug. I suspect that Maurice's is also based on the curve of the upper tail part (what's left) and the curve of the beak. Yakans are completely different and Samal are shorter and more abrupt in the okir. The only other possibility might be Tawi-Tawi or even (though more remotely) Borneo Moros.

One other note, I don't think this is a fighter piece. Ususally fighter's are not as ornately decorated due to battle conditions but are plainer.

On my tagub, it was originally in pieces - I had to do a lot of restoration in putting all the pieces together and even carving new parts to match. Below is a picture of the scabbard before I repaired it:

Rick · 21st July 2008, 12:30 AM

That would probably make this one Tausug too ?

Lord I miss the late 90's on eBay .

Battara · 21st July 2008, 01:13 AM

Rick, your's might be although I might be inclined to say early Samal influence due to the type of okir design used on the tagub and angle of the top of the pommel, I'd have to look up some resources before I am sure.

Nice to have a complete piece, especially the tagub since these were either thrown away by later owners or broken to bits.....

Rick · 21st July 2008, 02:59 AM

I notice that the tip of the tagub is smaller than the other examples shown .
Different carving style then ?

Jose, got a recipe for the lime mix ?

I've got a few chunks of garden lime .

Battara · 3rd August 2008, 08:57 PM

You know Rick, I was perusing through the archives, doing some research, when I bumped into this thread again. Mixture for lime? - no except that you make it thick, fill it in, and clean off the excess. I sometimes use chalk dust since I don't have lime (only lemons

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21st July 2008, 12:04 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Kai to answer your question, mine is probably Tausug. I suspect that Maurice's is also based on the curve of the upper tail part (what's left) and the curve of the beak. Yakans are completely different and Samal are shorter and more abrupt in the okir. The only other possibility might be Tawi-Tawi or even (though more remotely) Borneo Moros. One other note, I don't think this is a fighter piece. Ususally fighter's are not as ornately decorated due to battle conditions but are plainer. On my tagub, it was originally in pieces - I had to do a lot of restoration in putting all the pieces together and even carving new parts to match. Below is a picture of the scabbard before I repaired it: Attached Images

21st July 2008, 12:30 AM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	That would probably make this one Tausug too ? Lord I miss the late 90's on eBay . Attached Images

21st July 2008, 02:59 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Samal I notice that the tip of the tagub is smaller than the other examples shown . Different carving style then ? Jose, got a recipe for the lime mix ? I've got a few chunks of garden lime .

20th July 2008, 07:32 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	the MOP shapes fastened on a wooden pin or post must be a common moro decorative technique: Kris hilt

21st July 2008, 01:13 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Rick, your's might be although I might be inclined to say early Samal influence due to the type of okir design used on the tagub and angle of the top of the pommel, I'd have to look up some resources before I am sure. Nice to have a complete piece, especially the tagub since these were either thrown away by later owners or broken to bits.....

3rd August 2008, 08:57 PM	#8
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	You know Rick, I was perusing through the archives, doing some research, when I bumped into this thread again. Mixture for lime? - no except that you make it thick, fill it in, and clean off the excess. I sometimes use chalk dust since I don't have lime (only lemons ).