Indian/Afghan/Islamic Flintlocks & Mathclocks. Any interest?

Atlantia · 17th July 2008, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ward

I will remind people that these guns are mechanical damascus and usually heavily pitted if there are any flaws in the barrell it can blow up and kill you. Also do not ever use modern gun powders or pyredex. Black powder is the only thing to use and there are diffect grain sizes of it and it is dangerous to handle if you are not used to it. Again I do not recommend it

Almost all functioning firearms are illegal over here now.
Even black powder stuff for reinactment is very strictly controlled.
I have a replica broomhandle, you can't even buy new ones of them (or any replica firearms) over here now, not even plastic ones unless they come painted signal orange or some other daft colour.

Of course the most missused 'legal' firearms in the UK have always been shotguns, but they didn't ban them because the rich do love to slaughter the wildlife with them!

I wouldn't be suprised if soon we'll all be eating with plastic forks and spoons (even plastic knives will be banned!).

Atlantia · 17th July 2008, 06:54 PM

BTW, the dueller I fired as a kid fired beautifully.
You never forget the smell of a black powder!
He owned tons of antique stuff. Sporting rifles, big game hunting 19thC stuff, an underlever winchester, Lot of revolvers too, Addams, Tranters, Colts, I liked the 'cowboy' guns as a kid! Never let me fire them (or anything else after the garage wall got that hole). Can't say I blame him, most of his collection of pistols were cased pairs. The dueler was a monster though, wish I had a cased pair like that now!
They lived in the big victorian house and he'd converted the 'pantry' into a huge gun cabinet.
Would be worth a fortune now! Literally! I just hope it didn't all get handed in during one of the periodic gun amnestys after he died by some uncaring relative.

ward · 17th July 2008, 07:05 PM

A little different in U.S. . I believe the statistics are we have in private ownership enough guns to arm every man woman and child in the country. Things have changed over the years and to buy new pistols is pretty regulated. I remember going thru a barrell of lugars to pick the one I was nterested in all had been decommisoned from the Israli army. You can not buy surplus foreign ammo anymore.

Atlantia · 17th July 2008, 07:59 PM

OK, so going off on another tangent here, but another slightly crazy friend of mine used to fire this sort of thing all the time (when it was still legal, he had all the licences and do-dahs), old muzzle loading 'double rifles' and the like, and anyway, we were chatting about how the barrels often look 'thin' on the upper rim of the muzzle.
He said it was due to persistant overcharging the load and the projectile rubbing harder on the upper edge as it exits the muzzle.
I've not got enough experience of firing these things to venture an opinion, but I notice that my Afghan damascus barreled musket has the same thinning.
Any thoughts?
Its interesting to think of these 1.5m long barrels being overcharged to fire further! If the theory is true of course.

Gene

Nagawarrior · 20th July 2008, 07:57 PM

Just picked up this Miquelet. Using Firearms of the Islamic world, by Elgood as a reference, I believe this to be a boyliya rifle from Bosnia/Herzegovina. My guesstamate of age would be 19th century. Most of silver facing on the lock is gone. I took a photo of a nice piece of silver, still left on the top of the barrel. I hope Ward will chime in here with his opinion.

TVV · 20th July 2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nagawarrior

Just picked up this Miquelet. Using Firearms of the Islamic world, by Elgood as a reference, I believe this to be a boyliya rifle from Bosnia/Herzegovina. My guesstamate of age would be 19th century. Most of silver facing on the lock is gone. I took a photo of a nice piece of silver, still left on the top of the barrel. I hope Ward will chime in here with his opinion.

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Very nice Stephen, you have made me really really envious now. I agree it is Balkan, but I do not think it is Bosnian, but to me it is more likely to be from the Eastern Balkans. Have you attempted etching the barrel? I am 99% sure it is damascus.
Regards,
Teodor

ward · 20th July 2008, 09:58 PM

I have seen this rifle in person at one of the shows.I do not remember what year. The barrell showed no pattern as I recall and there was a lot of recent restoration. the shell circles are new replacements. There should be the little brass and seal wax radiation signs instead. If I recall correctly there was some wod putty work on this also. It is not a bad piece just needs a lot of work

Nagawarrior · 20th July 2008, 10:22 PM

I picked it up over the internet. Probably a mistake. I was hoping I was getting some great deal. You really have to handle pieces to get an idea. My bad. I got the book on firearms and saw mother of pearl used in this area. Thought it could be correct. Most of the mother of pearl have the little brass and wax piece in the center. I also took the dealers word that nothing was missing. Not sure what you mean by work? Is there someone that restores these, and does it add value? Thank you very much Ward.

Cerjak · 14th January 2012, 01:35 PM

Hello from France

seems I have the same sardinian miquelet gun than your's .It will be nice if you could more pics from yours.
Do you have the ramod ?
Do you know how old are those sardinain gun
Best regards

Cerjak

14th January 2012, 01:35 PM	#9
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Sardinian miquelet Gun Hello from France seems I have the same sardinian miquelet gun than your's .It will be nice if you could more pics from yours. Do you have the ramod ? Do you know how old are those sardinain gun Best regards Cerjak Attached Images

17th July 2008, 06:54 PM	#2
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	BTW, the dueller I fired as a kid fired beautifully. You never forget the smell of a black powder! He owned tons of antique stuff. Sporting rifles, big game hunting 19thC stuff, an underlever winchester, Lot of revolvers too, Addams, Tranters, Colts, I liked the 'cowboy' guns as a kid! Never let me fire them (or anything else after the garage wall got that hole). Can't say I blame him, most of his collection of pistols were cased pairs. The dueler was a monster though, wish I had a cased pair like that now! They lived in the big victorian house and he'd converted the 'pantry' into a huge gun cabinet. Would be worth a fortune now! Literally! I just hope it didn't all get handed in during one of the periodic gun amnestys after he died by some uncaring relative.

17th July 2008, 07:05 PM	#3
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	A little different in U.S. . I believe the statistics are we have in private ownership enough guns to arm every man woman and child in the country. Things have changed over the years and to buy new pistols is pretty regulated. I remember going thru a barrell of lugars to pick the one I was nterested in all had been decommisoned from the Israli army. You can not buy surplus foreign ammo anymore.

17th July 2008, 07:59 PM	#4
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	OK, so going off on another tangent here, but another slightly crazy friend of mine used to fire this sort of thing all the time (when it was still legal, he had all the licences and do-dahs), old muzzle loading 'double rifles' and the like, and anyway, we were chatting about how the barrels often look 'thin' on the upper rim of the muzzle. He said it was due to persistant overcharging the load and the projectile rubbing harder on the upper edge as it exits the muzzle. I've not got enough experience of firing these things to venture an opinion, but I notice that my Afghan damascus barreled musket has the same thinning. Any thoughts? Its interesting to think of these 1.5m long barrels being overcharged to fire further! If the theory is true of course. Gene

20th July 2008, 07:57 PM	#5
Nagawarrior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Inland Empire, Southern California USA Posts: 160	Just picked up this Miquelet. Using Firearms of the Islamic world, by Elgood as a reference, I believe this to be a boyliya rifle from Bosnia/Herzegovina. My guesstamate of age would be 19th century. Most of silver facing on the lock is gone. I took a photo of a nice piece of silver, still left on the top of the barrel. I hope Ward will chime in here with his opinion.

20th July 2008, 09:58 PM	#7
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	I have seen this rifle in person at one of the shows.I do not remember what year. The barrell showed no pattern as I recall and there was a lot of recent restoration. the shell circles are new replacements. There should be the little brass and seal wax radiation signs instead. If I recall correctly there was some wod putty work on this also. It is not a bad piece just needs a lot of work

20th July 2008, 10:22 PM	#8
Nagawarrior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Inland Empire, Southern California USA Posts: 160	I picked it up over the internet. Probably a mistake. I was hoping I was getting some great deal. You really have to handle pieces to get an idea. My bad. I got the book on firearms and saw mother of pearl used in this area. Thought it could be correct. Most of the mother of pearl have the little brass and wax piece in the center. I also took the dealers word that nothing was missing. Not sure what you mean by work? Is there someone that restores these, and does it add value? Thank you very much Ward.