A Unique, Quality Sadop from Borneo

CharlesS · 16th July 2008, 08:53 PM

ASOMotif and VVV,

What specifically takes away from its identity as "Dayak"?....the scabbard designs?? ivory hilt???...etc.

The hilt form seems identical to one in Z's minus the girth. BUT... a similar form is also seen with a beladau (Sumatra, Mentawai, Riau). The silverwork does not strike me as Sumatran.

VVV · 16th July 2008, 11:12 PM

Charles,

I am on a remote island at the moment and away from van Z and other books.
A silver scabbard, like yours, is not anything I would expect to see on a dayak dagger.
I would classify it as a high class Malay Lading Terus, instead of a Sadop.
On the tilted hilt I have no clue.

Michael

CharlesS · 17th July 2008, 01:57 AM

Thanks VVV,

When you get back home could you post some other examples of similar type?

Dajak · 17th July 2008, 04:20 AM

Hi Charles this looks more like an malay/chinese knife than an sadap the silverwork never seen on an sadap .

The Hilt looks like the same as an parang that Michael has .

Ben

VVV · 17th July 2008, 10:05 AM

Ben, do you mean the jenawi

Charles, I found this extract, with pictures of lading terus as a reference, from Gardner's book on my computer.
My lading terus is not that typical with the hilt as yours.

Michael

CharlesS · 17th July 2008, 01:24 PM

Most helpful Michael. Thanks.

I don't remember these pics being in the research from last summer...was it??

Dajak · 17th July 2008, 05:11 PM

Yes the jenawi that is the one .

And don't forget the dohun was brought to Borneo by the javanese .

Ben

17th July 2008, 10:05 AM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Ben, do you mean the jenawi Charles, I found this extract, with pictures of lading terus as a reference, from Gardner's book on my computer. My lading terus is not that typical with the hilt as yours. Michael Attached Images

16th July 2008, 08:53 PM	#1
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	ASOMotif and VVV, What specifically takes away from its identity as "Dayak"?....the scabbard designs?? ivory hilt???...etc. The hilt form seems identical to one in Z's *minus* the girth. BUT... a similar form is also seen with a *beladau* (Sumatra, Mentawai, Riau). The silverwork does not strike me as Sumatran.

16th July 2008, 11:12 PM	#2
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Charles, I am on a remote island at the moment and away from van Z and other books. A silver scabbard, like yours, is not anything I would expect to see on a dayak dagger. I would classify it as a high class Malay Lading Terus, instead of a Sadop. On the tilted hilt I have no clue. Michael

17th July 2008, 01:57 AM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Thanks VVV, When you get back home could you post some other examples of similar type?

17th July 2008, 04:20 AM	#4
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Charles this looks more like an malay/chinese knife than an sadap the silverwork never seen on an sadap . The Hilt looks like the same as an parang that Michael has . Ben

17th July 2008, 01:24 PM	#6
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Most helpful Michael. Thanks. I don't remember these pics being in the research from last summer...was it??

17th July 2008, 05:11 PM	#7
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Yes the jenawi that is the one . And don't forget the dohun was brought to Borneo by the javanese . Ben