17th Century Pata for discussion

fernando · 12th July 2008, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

... Bhushan, thank you so much for detailing the images represented in this decoration ... Your concise and detailed description on this beautiful pata is very much appreciated ...

Sure thing Jim,
Impecable description, Bhushan.
Fernando

olikara · 12th July 2008, 10:16 AM

The Pata does display typical Tanjore characteristics and so there is no doubt that the inspiration for the piece is from Tanjore.

But then, what do we mean when we call a piece 'Tanjore'? If we mean that it was always manufactured in the geographical region of Tanjore in South India we could be wrong. The Tanjore form of chiselled and pierced armour work was also cultivated in other centers near and around Tanjore too like Madurai (also Maratha Nayak rulers), Ginjee, Vellore, Mysore, etc.

I would put the place of origin for this particular piece as Mysore because of the prominence given to the Ganda Bherunda on the Langet. The Ganda Bherunda is a Kannada(language spoken in Mysore) word and was the emblem of the Wodeyar rulers of Mysore.

Nidhi

P.S. Radleigh, a piece par excellence! Congratulations.

Jens Nordlunde · 12th July 2008, 01:29 PM

Radligh, a magnificent pata.

Bhushan and Nidhi, you have both given very interesting comments on the pata. Like Nidhi writes, the safest is to say Tanjore style, as this style was made in several places. So, although it could be from Tanjore or another place, I find Nidhi’s argument about the Ganda Bherunda being the emblem of the Wodeyar rulers of Mysore for a strong one.

Jim McDougall · 12th July 2008, 01:45 PM

Thank you Nidhi for your well stated and supported observations, and I agree with you and Jens wholeheartedly. It is a very good point that despite being in the style of Tanjore, the production of weapons in that style are certainly not confined to that location. It is great to have this kind of discussion on an important weapon of India, and to have this kind of definitive analysis on its decorative motif.
I sincerely hope for more of this type of discussion on the weapons posted on the forum as everyone benefits from the compiled and compatitively analyzed data, and we all learn.
Thank you so much gentlemen!
All the best,
Jim

12th July 2008, 10:16 AM	#2
olikara Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: India Posts: 101	Mysore The Pata does display typical Tanjore characteristics and so there is no doubt that the inspiration for the piece is from Tanjore. But then, what do we mean when we call a piece 'Tanjore'? If we mean that it was always manufactured in the geographical region of Tanjore in South India we could be wrong. The Tanjore form of chiselled and pierced armour work was also cultivated in other centers near and around Tanjore too like Madurai (also Maratha Nayak rulers), Ginjee, Vellore, Mysore, etc. I would put the place of origin for this particular piece as Mysore because of the prominence given to the Ganda Bherunda on the Langet. The Ganda Bherunda is a Kannada(language spoken in Mysore) word and was the emblem of the Wodeyar rulers of Mysore. Nidhi P.S. Radleigh, a piece par excellence! Congratulations. Last edited by olikara; 12th July 2008 at 10:23 AM. Reason: Added small detail

12th July 2008, 01:29 PM	#3
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Radligh, a magnificent pata. Bhushan and Nidhi, you have both given very interesting comments on the pata. Like Nidhi writes, the safest is to say Tanjore style, as this style was made in several places. So, although it could be from Tanjore or another place, I find Nidhi’s argument about the Ganda Bherunda being the emblem of the Wodeyar rulers of Mysore for a strong one.

12th July 2008, 01:45 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,195	Thank you Nidhi for your well stated and supported observations, and I agree with you and Jens wholeheartedly. It is a very good point that despite being in the style of Tanjore, the production of weapons in that style are certainly not confined to that location. It is great to have this kind of discussion on an important weapon of India, and to have this kind of definitive analysis on its decorative motif. I sincerely hope for more of this type of discussion on the weapons posted on the forum as everyone benefits from the compiled and compatitively analyzed data, and we all learn. Thank you so much gentlemen! All the best, Jim