Two recent purchases

[RhysMichael]

Congratulations on some nice pieces and welcome. I would agree that it looks bhutan to me. I am guessing that the blade might show a nice hairpin folding pattern from what you are describing. The Golok does look to have some age on it also but its hard to tell from a picture

[josh stout]

Yes, it definately has a Bhutanese style pommle and scabbard. The blade might be Tibetan or Bhutanese, but the odds are the blade was made near where the fittings were made.

Generally, I think of Bhutanese blades as being a bit slimmer than Tibetan ones, and made with narrower hairpin bars (though not the "folded all together" style described in LaRocca). This is just a general feeling about the Bhutanese stuff, based on a fairly limited sample. More specifically, a Bhutanese blade will often have narrow parallel grooves (washo) carved along the blade. These are not supposed to be on Tibetan blades, though I can think of at least one Tibetan jian with them in LaRocca. So the washo are not diagnostic either way.

I do think I see hairpin folding, and more interestingly, it looks like it might be double ended. Am I seeing too much in the photo?
Josh

[dennee]

Nice Bhutanese sword in the "belpa chenm" style. The red bands on the grip are said to be indicative of an official, perhaps a high one, but the fittings are less expensive (brass, and not a pierced gubor).

I think I have found Bhutanese swords to be a bit heavier than Tibetan ones, at least when considered in proportion to length, although there is variation, and perhaps the most prized blades may have been thinner and more flexible.

[kisak]

Thanks for the replies. The pattern welding is hard to tell, there are some lengthwise sections of steel with different hues, basically warmer and colder colouration respectively (the edge being the warmer colour). It's rather discrete though. Due to all the dried-in dirt on it when I got it I've been wondering if the differences in colour might not just be staining from that, with the scabbard "scratching" off the dirt in a few places as the sword is drawn/sheated. The picture attached shows the two before any cleaning. I've only washed off the blade though, perhaps a light touch up with some very fine grit wet sanding paper could help reveal any pattern welding? A light etching as well perhaps?

it looks like it might be double ended.

Its single edged, if that's what you mean.

The red bands on the grip are said to be indicative of an official

Interesting, though the bands here doesn't seem to ever have been coloured red, just naturally coloured string, with some patination.

If anyone is interested in measurements, then for the Bhutanese sword we cave a total lengths of 77cm, grip 10cm, 790g, center of mass 20cm from the base of the blade (the "collar"). The blade itself is 62cm long, 36mm wide, and the spine goes from about 6mm to maybe 2mm just before the tip grind begins. Pretty stiff and sturdy.

The golok would be 51cm total, 490g, center of mass 11cm from the grip. Blade 39cm long, 35mm wide at the widest, spine tapering from 12mm to 3mm, with most of the taper in the first half, it's about 4mm thick in the middle.

I've also tried some brass polish on the scabbard of the golok, which worked much better than the silver cleaner.

[Henk]

I think your golok isn't a golok.

Hard to tell what it is. The hulu or grip is a replacement and not original to the blade.
I have a feeling the piece is Sumatran. Could be a pedang, a short sword or a badek. That's my first and careful guess.
Certainly not tourist work. It is a well made blade. It might even be a pamor blade.

[VVV]

On the golok I agree with Henk that the handle probably is a replacement (based on its fit to the blade).
This makara variation is usually found on golok from West Java and sometimes also swords that has been collected around Palembang, Sumatra (which is nearby and where other kinds of W Java blades also has been found).
What's unusual is that your handle is made from wood and not horn as usual.
The scabbard is probably white brass.
And the metal of the blade I couldn't figure out when I inspected it at the same auction house as you got it from.

Michael

[kisak]

Looks like there might be good reason to get to work cleaning up the blade of the small one then. I also cleaned up the Bhutanese sword a bit and did a trial etch with vinegar on part of it, both to see what might be there, and to see what the vinegar might do to it. Looks like three separate regions in the end, became a bit more subtle in the photographs though. In the more heavily-etched parts (to the left), it begins with one region by the edge going from pale yellow, via reddish hues, to purple almost reddish one towards the edge, then a blueish band, and finally a more yellow part until the spine, covering almost half the width of the blade (edge is upwards in the photos). All in all it looks almost heat blued, and while hat helps make it visible in the pics, I guess I'll be aiming for something a bit less colourful in the end (just a lighter etching, or should I go look for some iron chloride?) The spine section also shows a multitude of fine lines or "cracks" in the lengthwise direction of the blade, making me think of folded steel.