Shamshir help needed Blade cartouche translation

[Dom]

Originally Posted by ward

I think it reads work of Kalb Ali but Dom could say for sure.
Arabic language but could be Persia India or Turk

you are very good Ward

it's mentionned "made by Ali" .... as ... usual

the digits in the square, after reflection don't seems to me as;
- a date
- a magic square

in fact, I doubt about the autenticity of all those marks
but, it's just "my" point of view, and I'm not an expert

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Dom

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Dom

you are very good Ward

it's mentionned "made by Ali" .... as ... usual

the digits in the square, after reflection don't seems to me as;
- a date
- a magic square

in fact, I doubt about the autenticity of all those marks
but, it's just "my" point of view, and I'm not an expert

à +

Dom

Thanks Ward and Dom,

So to summarise what you have kindly figured out for me,

The Cartouche reads "amal Kalb Ali": 'work of Kalb ali'
but this may be a generic mark and not an indication of its true maker?
(as quality makers marks and names are often forged on swords)

And the Bedu is just a lucky square not a date or anything important?

We don't know exactly where its from but its probobly arabic/persian or perhaps Indian, not Turkish, and its had some reworking of the handle area done during its working life....

That about it?

Thanks
Gene

P.S
DOM! how about putting a big picture of your Khud in my 'avatars' thread, I'd love to see it!

[Dom]

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Thanks Ward and Dom,

So to summarise what you have kindly figured out for me,

The Cartouche reads "amal Kalb Ali": 'work of Kalb ali'
but this may be a generic mark and not an indication of its true maker?
(as quality makers marks and names are often forged on swords)

Hi Gene
for me the cartouche mention only "amal Ali" either "made by Ali"
but .... Ali seems to have producing thousands or more blades ...
or may be hundred of "Ali" (sic) produced many blades
those marks could be added at any time later, not a prove of "true" ..
unfortunately

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Dom

[Atlantia]

Originally Posted by Dom

Hi Gene
for me the cartouche mention only "amal Ali" either "made by Ali"
but .... Ali seems to have producing thousands or more blades ...
or may be hundred of "Ali" (sic) produced many blades
those marks could be added at any time later, not a prove of "true" ..
unfortunately

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Dom

I understand, thanks very much for your help Dom.
Even knowing what it purports to be is a huge leap from not knowing anything.

So I'm very happpy! Thanks to everyone.
Gene