Strange piece back, for coments

fernando · 4th July 2008, 07:35 PM

Thank you David.
I have been through the Parang Ginah hipothesis. Still i don't think that is it.

Thank you Fearn.
I am glad i smell nothing coming out of the piece ... for the various reasons.
Now, if this were a royal banana thwacker, it would take a big king to handle it properly

I am desperate i didn't yet see something actually similar or resembling this thing

Fernando

Lew · 11th July 2008, 03:04 AM

This could a form of Arit?

Lew

fernando · 11th July 2008, 05:50 PM

Thanks for your efforts Lew

; that's quite close. I'll dig into it.
Fernando

katana · 11th July 2008, 08:52 PM

Well done Lew,
checking on the Arit, I found a Balinese site which stated Arit (sickle). Then I found this about the Arit and several other tools...

"...The items shown below are not really weapons, they are tools, however, when disputes arise
today and the people involved feel that they need to settle these disputes with violence, these
tools are the implements most used as weapons. In fact, in Central Jawa today it is probably
correct to say that more people are killed and wounded with the type of tools shown here than
with any other form of weapon....."

However also on this site is this a Celurit from Madura listed as a weapon.... picture below

http://www.kerisattosanaji.com/weaponsindexlist53.html

Regards David

fernando · 12th July 2008, 12:53 AM

Hi David
I have also been in that page, after learning the term Arit.
Eventually the Celurit shown (same you show here) seems to be more like my example than the two Arits represented there.
But on the other hand, the Arit shown in Lews picture looks even closer, due to its blade angle not being so close.
Do you guys realy beleive my piece belongs to this family, or is it just because of the sickle shape relation?
Fernando

Lew · 12th July 2008, 04:04 AM

Fernando

Your example has a pretty thick cross section so to me it is more a weapon than farm tool. I had one of these years ago but the blade was whimpy compared to yours.

Lew

fearn · 12th July 2008, 04:37 AM

Hi Fernando,

I'm happy calling it a "sickle" (arit), but I'm not sure that being heavier means it's primarily a weapon. There are major variations in the weights of farm tools, with heavier ones being used for heavier work (for instance grass cutting vs. vine cutting vs. brush cutting vs. wood cutting). An example of this is seen in The Wikipedia article on billhooks, not that I think you have a billhook exactly.

Just to give you a comparison, all of my kukris weigh more than your arit, and they're all designed for wood cutting.

F

11th July 2008, 03:04 AM	#2
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	This could a form of Arit? Lew Attached Images

11th July 2008, 08:52 PM	#4
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Well done Lew, checking on the Arit, I found a Balinese site which stated Arit (sickle). Then I found this about the Arit and several other tools... "...The items shown below are not really weapons, they are tools, however, when disputes arise today and the people involved feel that they need to settle these disputes with violence, these tools are the implements most used as weapons. In fact, in Central Jawa today it is probably correct to say that more people are killed and wounded with the type of tools shown here than with any other form of weapon....." However also on this site is this a Celurit from Madura listed as a weapon.... picture below http://www.kerisattosanaji.com/weaponsindexlist53.html Regards David Attached Images

4th July 2008, 07:35 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you David. I have been through the Parang Ginah hipothesis. Still i don't think that is it. Thank you Fearn. I am glad i smell nothing coming out of the piece ... for the various reasons. Now, if this were a royal banana thwacker, it would take a big king to handle it properly I am desperate i didn't yet see something actually similar or resembling this thing Fernando

11th July 2008, 05:50 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thanks for your efforts Lew ; that's quite close. I'll dig into it. Fernando

12th July 2008, 12:53 AM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi David I have also been in that page, after learning the term Arit. Eventually the Celurit shown (same you show here) seems to be more like my example than the two Arits represented there. But on the other hand, the Arit shown in Lews picture looks even closer, due to its blade angle not being so close. Do you guys realy beleive my piece belongs to this family, or is it just because of the sickle shape relation? Fernando

12th July 2008, 04:04 AM	#6
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Fernando Your example has a pretty thick cross section so to me it is more a weapon than farm tool. I had one of these years ago but the blade was whimpy compared to yours. Lew

12th July 2008, 04:37 AM	#7
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Hi Fernando, I'm happy calling it a "sickle" (arit), but I'm not sure that being heavier means it's primarily a weapon. There are major variations in the weights of farm tools, with heavier ones being used for heavier work (for instance grass cutting vs. vine cutting vs. brush cutting vs. wood cutting). An example of this is seen in The Wikipedia article on billhooks, not that I think you have a billhook exactly. Just to give you a comparison, all of my kukris weigh more than your arit, and they're all designed for wood cutting. F