MADURA ornamental hilts

ganjawulung · 24th June 2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by David

There are 2 horse hilts. One is bone and the other is wood. I don't think the wood one is unique because i have seen the same pattern before, though i don't think those were executed as nicely as this one. There is a lot of fine detailed carving on this one with many areas of through and through carving that are very skillfully done.

David, your first horse-hilt looks like Bali "kocet-kocetan". But the second, I think it depicts "megaremeng" -- the flying horse of the Madura legend, Joko Thole. Pls regard the horse's wing carving... Usualy, "megaremeng" only carved in "kuda panolih" symbol...

David · 24th June 2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ganjawulung

David, your first horse-hilt looks like Bali "kocet-kocetan". But the second, I think it depicts "megaremeng" -- the flying horse of the Madura legend, Joko Thole. Pls regard the horse's wing carving... Usualy, "megaremeng" only carved in "kuda panolih" symbol...

Well, the bone one certainly isn't from Bali and i am pretty sure it is meant to be a horse, not a kocet-kocetan.
If you look around the base of the bone horse you can see the same circular designs that are around the base on the wood hilt.
I have indeed noticed the stylized wings on the wooden horse hilt and agree that it is meant to be a flying horse.

A. G. Maisey · 24th June 2008, 11:20 PM

Hilt # 7 does have a similar profile to the Ganesha hilts from Cirebon, but that's where it stops. I cannot find anything in the motif detail that indicates that there was an intent to create a Ganesha.

I haven't seen a Janggelan with stars. Unusual.

ganjawulung · 25th July 2008, 04:23 PM

Another example of a madura hilt, with rather unordinary motif... (Quite similar to David's hilt in #41)

Rick · 25th July 2008, 06:14 PM

Very nice .

Here's another .

A. G. Maisey · 25th July 2008, 11:00 PM

Another couple.

Funny thing:- I've never seen any older examples of this type.

ganjawulung · 10th February 2009, 05:22 AM

Dear All,

Apologize me, for reviving the old thread of Maduran hilts. I am posting this, after BluErf said in another post about "swastika ornaments" in some Cirebon hilts. But here, I found in this hilt of my collection, a Maduran hilt with supposed to be "swastika ornaments" as BlueErf said...

Just an intermezzo....

GANJAWULUNG

25th July 2008, 06:14 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Very nice . Here's another . Attached Images

25th July 2008, 11:00 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Another couple. Funny thing:- I've never seen any older examples of this type. Attached Images

10th February 2009, 05:22 AM	#7
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	SWASTIKA ornaments? Dear All, Apologize me, for reviving the old thread of Maduran hilts. I am posting this, after BluErf said in another post about "swastika ornaments" in some Cirebon hilts. But here, I found in this hilt of my collection, a Maduran hilt with supposed to be "swastika ornaments" as BlueErf said... Just an intermezzo.... GANJAWULUNG Attached Images

24th June 2008, 11:20 PM	#3
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,015	Hilt # 7 does have a similar profile to the Ganesha hilts from Cirebon, but that's where it stops. I cannot find anything in the motif detail that indicates that there was an intent to create a Ganesha. I haven't seen a Janggelan with stars. Unusual.

25th July 2008, 04:23 PM	#4
ganjawulung Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J a k a r t a Posts: 991	Unordinary Madura Hilt? Another example of a madura hilt, with rather unordinary motif... (Quite similar to David's hilt in #41) Attached Images