This just finished on eBay....any ideas

fearn · 17th June 2008, 01:33 AM

Couple of modern traditional blacksmiths make a knife that's combined with a flint striker. That's what this one looks like.

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Jim McDougall · 17th June 2008, 05:33 AM

Looks a lot like an old dussage! and it seems like these were some sort of blacksmith test item. The far fetched description on the item is incredible! It seems that often the 'thuggee' term is dragged out and used as a colorful term by people who have no knowledge on this cult whatsoever. The thugs only specific weapon was actually a ceremonial axe used for burials. Of course there may have been other weapons used, but nothing distinct and depended on local weapons in the area.

Gavin Nugent · 17th June 2008, 09:51 AM

Maybe someone can bring them to light but weren't there simple trench knives made in the world wars that followed a simple pattern similar to this??

regards

Gav

mross · 17th June 2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by freebooter

Maybe someone can bring them to light but weren't there simple trench knives made in the world wars that followed a simple pattern similar to this??

regards

Gav

I believe what you are refering to is trench knife, basically a knuckle duster attached to a knife. A "D" guard bowie will also sort of fit.

kronckew · 18th June 2008, 09:34 AM

trench knives encompass a wide variety of issue and improvised weapons used for close hand to hand fighting in the ww1 trenches. this (attached) is a screen dump from http://www.snyderstreasures.com/page...kle_knives.htm which shows quite a variety including the french nail knives. german grabendolch trench knives were usually a bit more conventional spearpoint blade, short or long giard, wood scales, steel scabbard with leather blet loop, etc. no knucklebows...

another more elaborate french nail version, smith had time to forge a real blade on this one. i've seen them with similar triple rod hilts and the more common rough spearpoint-like nail blade. repro's abound so caveat emptor.

katana · 18th June 2008, 10:50 AM

Great info Kronckew

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trench made knives and daggers fabricated 'in field' were very varied. Made for use, in what was known as 'trench clearing'

the majority I have seen tend to be stabbing impliments, with simple needle/stiletto blades. Easily made and effective.

What struck me about the 'knife' which started the thread, is the deliberate curve of the blade. It seems idealy suited for slashing, and with a shortish blade suggested it may have required some skill to use (if it is indeed a weapon). I was thinking it may have been used in a similar way as the Indonesian Karambit, perhaps in pairs, one in each hand (been watching too many martial art films I suppose

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I suppose this could be a tool, but seems to small for an agricultural tool (although I believe the Karambit started life as a 'crop cutter') or effective as a wood working tool.

Having said all that, I hope I'm not going down the 'same road' as I did with my 'deadly' Asparagus Spear.....eh Kronckew

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=asparagus

Regards David

kronckew · 19th June 2008, 08:49 AM

reminds me a bit of this viking ''woman's knife''

yours is just a bit more macho.

possibly grip/ grip-blade angle has been bent a bit more than when 1st made? i suspect that when the blade was forged single edged it naturally formed a curved blade as the edge was hammered thinner the displaced metal bends the spine. double edged and spear point variants do not have that problem (or feature). somebody wanted a slicer rather than a thruster.

(still might be a victorian gardening impliment

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17th June 2008, 09:51 AM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Interesting Maybe someone can bring them to light but weren't there simple trench knives made in the world wars that followed a simple pattern similar to this?? regards Gav

18th June 2008, 09:34 AM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	trench knives encompass a wide variety of issue and improvised weapons used for close hand to hand fighting in the ww1 trenches. this (attached) is a screen dump from http://www.snyderstreasures.com/page...kle_knives.htm which shows quite a variety including the french nail knives. german grabendolch trench knives were usually a bit more conventional spearpoint blade, short or long giard, wood scales, steel scabbard with leather blet loop, etc. no knucklebows... another more elaborate french nail version, smith had time to forge a real blade on this one. i've seen them with similar triple rod hilts and the more common rough spearpoint-like nail blade. repro's abound so caveat emptor. Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 18th June 2008 at 09:47 AM.

17th June 2008, 01:33 AM	#1
fearn Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,247	Couple of modern traditional blacksmiths make a knife that's combined with a flint striker. That's what this one looks like. F

17th June 2008, 05:33 AM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Looks a lot like an old dussage! and it seems like these were some sort of blacksmith test item. The far fetched description on the item is incredible! It seems that often the 'thuggee' term is dragged out and used as a colorful term by people who have no knowledge on this cult whatsoever. The thugs only specific weapon was actually a ceremonial axe used for burials. Of course there may have been other weapons used, but nothing distinct and depended on local weapons in the area.

18th June 2008, 10:50 AM	#6
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Great info Kronckew , trench made knives and daggers fabricated 'in field' were very varied. Made for use, in what was known as 'trench clearing' the majority I have seen tend to be stabbing impliments, with simple needle/stiletto blades. Easily made and effective. What struck me about the 'knife' which started the thread, is the deliberate curve of the blade. It seems idealy suited for slashing, and with a shortish blade suggested it may have required some skill to use (if it is indeed a weapon). I was thinking it may have been used in a similar way as the Indonesian Karambit, perhaps in pairs, one in each hand (been watching too many martial art films I suppose ) I suppose this could be a tool, but seems to small for an agricultural tool (although I believe the Karambit started life as a 'crop cutter') or effective as a wood working tool. Having said all that, I hope I'm not going down the 'same road' as I did with my 'deadly' Asparagus Spear.....eh Kronckew http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=asparagus Regards David

19th June 2008, 08:49 AM	#7
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	reminds me a bit of this viking ''woman's knife'' yours is just a bit more macho. possibly grip/ grip-blade angle has been bent a bit more than when 1st made? i suspect that when the blade was forged single edged it naturally formed a curved blade as the edge was hammered thinner the displaced metal bends the spine. double edged and spear point variants do not have that problem (or feature). somebody wanted a slicer rather than a thruster. (still might be a victorian gardening impliment )