Fake Kindjal

mross · 12th June 2008, 05:38 PM

Could this be a composite? Real blade with faked fittings?

ariel · 12th June 2008, 06:04 PM

Of course! I did not mention it because I thought it was self-evident.

fernando · 12th June 2008, 08:06 PM

Daghestani blade ?
Those marks are similar to some showing in E. Astvacaturyan's book, as being from Daghestani smiths.

ausjulius · 12th June 2008, 10:26 PM

ths type of thing is quite common ,
but it is not ,, that recent, maybe more some work of the soviet era,,
proably 30 or 40 years old ..
mostlikely somebody found an old blade and decided to have fittings put on it.
this thisn is even today very common :S..
when i worke din kizlyar wvery week swords would come into the factory that people wanted polished or sharpened, or wanted new silver fittings or a sheath or some such done on them,,
during communisim this was also just as common, although illegal.
owning the sword or dagger not doing the actual work ofcorse.. :P

ive seen alot of soviet era swords and knives to aspecialy old soviet era kindjals,,
i recall some chap brang several into the factory made during ww2 and used by dagestani solider during the latter days of ww2 , one was a small kindjal style dagger with a laminated wood handle and a carbon steel blade in a leather leather sheath like a knife. the other was a old folded steel kindjal...... with a textolite phenolic handle :O:O:O:O .. stronger than the old buffalo no doubt..

these things got polished up and sharpened and sent back to the owner ...
hell knows how many times the old kindjal had be rehandled :P

here is a pic of the laminated wood dagger proably made in ww2... sorry i havent a photo of the textolit handled kindjal, or maybe i have but id have to look for it........

oh also if anyone in interested in have some place some photos or working kindjals , not decorative ones, with waxed woolen sheath covers....... something youll porably never find outside of the caucasus.

12th June 2008, 10:26 PM	#4
ausjulius Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: musorian territory Posts: 448	ths type of thing is quite common , but it is not ,, that recent, maybe more some work of the soviet era,, proably 30 or 40 years old .. mostlikely somebody found an old blade and decided to have fittings put on it. this thisn is even today very common :S.. when i worke din kizlyar wvery week swords would come into the factory that people wanted polished or sharpened, or wanted new silver fittings or a sheath or some such done on them,, during communisim this was also just as common, although illegal. owning the sword or dagger not doing the actual work ofcorse.. :P ive seen alot of soviet era swords and knives to aspecialy old soviet era kindjals,, i recall some chap brang several into the factory made during ww2 and used by dagestani solider during the latter days of ww2 , one was a small kindjal style dagger with a laminated wood handle and a carbon steel blade in a leather leather sheath like a knife. the other was a old folded steel kindjal...... with a textolite phenolic handle :O:O:O:O .. stronger than the old buffalo no doubt.. these things got polished up and sharpened and sent back to the owner ... hell knows how many times the old kindjal had be rehandled :P here is a pic of the laminated wood dagger proably made in ww2... sorry i havent a photo of the textolit handled kindjal, or maybe i have but id have to look for it........ oh also if anyone in interested in have some place some photos or working kindjals , not decorative ones, with waxed woolen sheath covers....... something youll porably never find outside of the caucasus. Attached Images

12th June 2008, 05:38 PM	#1
mross Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 478	Could this be a composite? Real blade with faked fittings?

12th June 2008, 06:04 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Of course! I did not mention it because I thought it was self-evident.

12th June 2008, 08:06 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Daghestani blade ? Those marks are similar to some showing in E. Astvacaturyan's book, as being from Daghestani smiths.