What is it?

Jim McDougall · 26th May 2008, 07:42 PM

This is a really attractive dagger that I cannot resist comparing in appearance to plug bayonets, however the hilt would suggest that use obviously not likely, especially with the knob type pommel. Since plug bayonets often were used aside from the intended use as daggers or hunting knives, it seems that they did in some cases may have remained as an accoutrement even after obsolete.Possibly ceremonial or dress example of one refurbished?
I may be way off base on this as I saw nothing similar in Evans ("The Plug Bayonet") but thought I would present the suggestion anyway

Fire at will !

fernando · 27th May 2008, 12:13 AM

A close up of those marks on the forte, would be an interesting track.

katana · 27th May 2008, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by fernando

A close up of those marks on the forte, would be an interesting track.

Hi.
it looks like a Fairbairn Sykes 'copy' blade and crossguard with a 'candle stick' hilt

. The round pommel end seems to have a 'dimple' possibly to locate a tool to tighten it up...with suggests the tang is threaded.

Hi Fernando,
this may help.....

Regards David

fernando · 27th May 2008, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by katana

Hi Fernando,
this may help.....

Hi David ... no can do; that's the picture magnification, not the same as a clear close up.
I'm not skilled enough to distinguish what's there myself ... and i don't know russian either

Probably Ariel knows all about it by now and is laughing in the back stage

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Best
Fernando

katana · 27th May 2008, 11:14 AM

Well, this is the Babel fish 'translation' of the link provided by Ariel and I'm still in the 'dark'

http://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/transl...rUrl=Translate

Regards David

Rick · 27th May 2008, 02:47 PM

After reading the translation I was left with the impression that this is at least a married piece or perhaps an outright fake .

Burying it outside the dacha ?!?

Good way to add age where it doesn't exist .

ariel · 29th May 2008, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick

After reading the translation I was left with the impression that this is at least a married piece or perhaps an outright fake .

Burying it outside the dacha ?!?

Good way to add age where it doesn't exist .

Cheaters.....

I bet your elementary school teachers are blushing!

Seriously, this is an exaple of what is called "fuflo" ( foof-LO) in Russian lingo: a fake.
This was intended to be a joke and the original creator openly described the process ( probably took him ~ 2 hours total). After that, there is a raucous discussion what kind of booze might produce the most acidic and "aging" urine to make this "fuflo" look properly antique.
All was above board. There was no intent to deceive anybody.
However.....
I put it here just to show that there are very professional people around the world who , if they want, can inflict a lot of confusion....
Caveat emptor!!

26th May 2008, 07:42 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,282	This is a really attractive dagger that I cannot resist comparing in appearance to plug bayonets, however the hilt would suggest that use obviously not likely, especially with the knob type pommel. Since plug bayonets often were used aside from the intended use as daggers or hunting knives, it seems that they did in some cases may have remained as an accoutrement even after obsolete.Possibly ceremonial or dress example of one refurbished? I may be way off base on this as I saw nothing similar in Evans ("The Plug Bayonet") but thought I would present the suggestion anyway Fire at will !

27th May 2008, 12:13 AM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	A close up of those marks on the forte, would be an interesting track.

27th May 2008, 11:14 AM	#5
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Well, this is the Babel fish 'translation' of the link provided by Ariel and I'm still in the 'dark' http://uk.babelfish.yahoo.com/transl...rUrl=Translate Regards David

27th May 2008, 02:47 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	After reading the translation I was left with the impression that this is at least a married piece or perhaps an outright fake . Burying it outside the dacha ?!? Good way to add age where it doesn't exist .