Kindjal for coments

ward · 22nd May 2008, 02:00 AM

Nice old blade and scabbard on this one. A lot different than the tourist items listed recently. My only question/concern would be the handle. Normally you would see the rivets on the reverse side of the handle possibly the grips are recently replaced or maybe I just can not see them in pic

fernando · 22nd May 2008, 03:00 AM

Thank you Ward,
Now that you mention, i have rechecked the handle and its assembly. The grip is made of one only piece ... of horn, i still think.
The tang, at the grip entrance, looks to be the plate type and not of spike form. The fixation points are not what you can call rivets, but nails with a round shell head, like those in the large luxury leather covered chairs, if you know what i mean. They don't go through to the other side, indeed. But they sure are very old, so much worn that the shells are risking to fall off the nails. Whether this grip was not the original, it sure is from the period or close to it.
What do you think about the mark in the book and that in the blade of this piece ? Could it be the same ?
Fernando

Gonzalo G · 29th May 2008, 04:17 AM

Fernando, I see a relation among this mark and yours. The figure on the books is referred to typical marking on kindjals from the first half of the 19th Century.
Regards

Gonzalo

fernando · 29th May 2008, 02:18 PM

Much obliged for your help, Gonzalo.
Eventually i had that legend translated by a Russian ( Siberian) acquaintance ... which coincides with your interpretation

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I just thaught the kinzhal conoisseurs would favour me with some considerations on the mark analogy or similarity

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Thanks all the same.
Fernando

Gonzalo G · 30th May 2008, 04:34 AM

On the contrary, Fernando, I feel muito obrigado with you, as you are sharing this interesting piece with a description, which is a source of a new learning....and this is all about, isn´t it? I think I will not show my poor 20th Century kindjal, as it is a piece of small value and it will not dreserve a word. Excuse me Fernando, do you have the width and thickness of the blade at it´s beginning, and the weight of the kindjal without sabbard? I can get the other measures by the use of proportions. Thank you.
Regards

Gonzalo

fernando · 30th May 2008, 07:52 PM

Hi Gonzalo, there you are:

Width: 39 m/m.
Thickness: over 4 m/m.
Weight: 330 grams.

I assume you use the metric system in Mexico

Saludos

Fernando

Gonzalo G · 31st May 2008, 01:13 AM

!Thank you, Fernando, very useful information! Yes, we also use the metric system in the whole Latin America...and part of Canada, I belive.

My best regards

Gonzalo

22nd May 2008, 02:00 AM	#1
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Nice old blade and scabbard on this one. A lot different than the tourist items listed recently. My only question/concern would be the handle. Normally you would see the rivets on the reverse side of the handle possibly the grips are recently replaced or maybe I just can not see them in pic

22nd May 2008, 03:00 AM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Ward, Now that you mention, i have rechecked the handle and its assembly. The grip is made of one only piece ... of horn, i still think. The tang, at the grip entrance, looks to be the plate type and not of spike form. The fixation points are not what you can call rivets, but nails with a round shell head, like those in the large luxury leather covered chairs, if you know what i mean. They don't go through to the other side, indeed. But they sure are very old, so much worn that the shells are risking to fall off the nails. Whether this grip was not the original, it sure is from the period or close to it. What do you think about the mark in the book and that in the blade of this piece ? Could it be the same ? Fernando

29th May 2008, 04:17 AM	#3
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	Fernando, I see a relation among this mark and yours. The figure on the books is referred to typical marking on kindjals from the first half of the 19th Century. Regards Gonzalo

29th May 2008, 02:18 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Much obliged for your help, Gonzalo. Eventually i had that legend translated by a Russian ( Siberian) acquaintance ... which coincides with your interpretation . I just thaught the kinzhal conoisseurs would favour me with some considerations on the mark analogy or similarity . Thanks all the same. Fernando

30th May 2008, 04:34 AM	#5
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	On the contrary, Fernando, I feel muito obrigado with you, as you are sharing this interesting piece with a description, which is a source of a new learning....and this is all about, isn´t it? I think I will not show my poor 20th Century kindjal, as it is a piece of small value and it will not dreserve a word. Excuse me Fernando, do you have the width and thickness of the blade at it´s beginning, and the weight of the kindjal without sabbard? I can get the other measures by the use of proportions. Thank you. Regards Gonzalo

30th May 2008, 07:52 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Gonzalo, there you are: Width: 39 m/m. Thickness: over 4 m/m. Weight: 330 grams. I assume you use the metric system in Mexico Saludos Fernando

31st May 2008, 01:13 AM	#7
Gonzalo G Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nothern Mexico Posts: 458	!Thank you, Fernando, very useful information! Yes, we also use the metric system in the whole Latin America...and part of Canada, I belive. My best regards Gonzalo