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Yes, it is true that elephant ivory will often show a cross-hatch grain, but it cannot be taken for granted that because ivory does not show a cross-hatch, it is not elephant ivory.
I have several hundred pieces of ivory, about 100 or so are ivory keris handles, the rest are netsukes, small ivory figurines, and other little bits and pieces. Some that is definitely elephant ivory does not show a cross-hatch grain. The four bent over handles that I have posted pics of do have a grain, but it is not cross-hatch. I've always thought of these handles as elephant ivory, but I'd be the first to admit they might not be. However, if they are not, what other source, readily available to craftsmen in SE Asia, could provide material of sufficient size to allow handles like this to be produced? Whales teeth wouldn't do it. Walrus? Dugong? Boar? What? These are pretty serious lumps of ivory. The upright handle is definitely elephant ivory, I've put this up for comparison. |
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A beautiful display of ivory hilts. ![]() Others are... hmmm... ![]() I'm pretty much interested in all 4 bent hilts, including their hilt cups... especially the 2nd piece. But unfortunately, I could only dream of it... and drool. ![]() Last edited by Alam Shah; 21st May 2008 at 01:49 AM. |
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'Some' info I found on the web.
Some accompanying pictures would be nice / any volunteers ![]() Quote:
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Also I have an handle made by a strange material
![]() It seems like bone (horn?) but in the middle of the hilt there are strange circles more dark ![]() Maybe some collector can help me... ![]() Also i think that the hilts showed are Hippo tooth (while the withe one is elephant) |
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Here is an interesting website comparing ivories and how to ID them:
http://www.australiangemmologist.com...areivories.pdf |
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That's a good article, David.
My big problem with what this material in my hilts could be is their size:- they're big lumps of ivory. Reading all the info, yeah, I agree, it could be hippo ivory, but if that's the case there was a very robust trade between some parts of Africa, and SE Asia, during at least the 19th century. I'll see if can get a pic that will show the grain in these hilts of mine. I know this thread started with question from Shahrial, but his hilt seems to be the same material as the ones I've shown, and I've seen a lot of this type of hilt from the same material. Thanks for your comments Shahrial. Yeah, its a bit hard to find this sort of thing these days. The ones I've shown, plus a few I have not shown, all came from a dealer in Jogja about 35 years ago---you just don't see this sort of thing now. |
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David, your link is a good resource too. ![]() I think we may find this helpful, as well. [ link ] ![]() |
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Here are some close-ups of the hilts posted above.
I think you should be able to see the grain. |
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This is walrus ivory.
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This is whales tooth.
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