Panabas, aka Bruticus Maximus...

Ian · 26th March 2005, 05:14 AM

Mike:

We had one on this old thread http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002044.html but unfortunately the pictures are gone now. I'll see if I still have them.

Ian.

Bill · 26th March 2005, 02:44 PM

From what I have read, the early "Moro" seldom used thier valuable iron for tools. But they were early ship builders, & a panabas would likely be valuable in the process. Anyone have info on "Moro" ship building. Seen quite a few referance to ship building in Mindanao but little attributed to early Sulu Archipelago. What early tools were needed?

Rick · 26th March 2005, 03:51 PM

The most important tool would probably be the adze Bill .
After that the gimlet ; now the panabas could be used for shaping the edges of planking but at 3+ pounds it would be quite a burdensome tool to use all day . A drawknife , or plane would be better suited for the job .

Federico · 26th March 2005, 07:12 PM

Big difference between Sulu and Mindanao Moros. While Sulu was more known for its sea oriented endeavors, Mindanao did have extensive agriculture, and ag played a big part particularly for the Sultanate Buayan in their trade roles (rice for jungle products or sea products). However, both groups did have agricultural infrastructures, though in Sulu not as robust as Mindanao. This is part of the reason why Spain was so enamoured with Mindanao, with the arable land they had hoped it could be the rice basket (so to speak) of PI. Part of the reason it is so popular right now for Xtian colonization from other islands, ag land.

tom hyle · 26th March 2005, 07:31 PM

Everyone's got to eat.

Rick · 26th March 2005, 07:56 PM

Can be found here :
http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/corps/index.html

Going back to browsing these excellent pictures .

zamboanga · 27th March 2005, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill

From what I have read, the early "Moro" seldom used thier valuable iron for tools. But they were early ship builders, & a panabas would likely be valuable in the process. Anyone have info on "Moro" ship building. Seen quite a few referance to ship building in Mindanao but little attributed to early Sulu Archipelago. What early tools were needed?

The local museum (inside the Spanish Fort del Pilar) here has a display on samal boat building tools and as well as several samal boats, large and small. I'll post some pictures I took. There are no panabas on display but I found a samal sangkil spear displayed as a fishing tool. the yakan sangkil i mentioned earlier has a broader profile. unlike the other moro tribes, the yakans are not seafarers.

A non-moro equivalent of the panabas (as an agri tool) would probably be the "tabas." it is a bolo with a question-mark like profile and is used in "kaingin."

zamboanga · 27th March 2005, 08:57 AM

as promised here are the pics from Fort del Pilar museum.

zamboanga · 27th March 2005, 09:07 AM

sorry for the poor resolution had to take pictures on the sly ("bawal po sir") and my cam has outdated technology.

the sangkil spears are the ones near the bottom. the three pointed spears are known as sapang as also used among tausugs. the yakan's sangkil comes in two variants: one with only one side of the head with a hook (what's the term?) and another type comes with both sides of the head with hooks and is known as "sulayang."

Bill · 27th March 2005, 12:35 PM

Zamboanga, Great info, Thanks. I haven't seen before a specific group credited as the shipbuilders. From what I have seen only 3 early wrecks have been researched. Wonder if the Samal are the "shipbuilders" of the whole area, or other groups did also. Appears "lash-lugging" technique is what makes it a PI ship.

tom hyle · 27th March 2005, 01:20 PM

Your worst pictures that you complain about are better than ones I'm happy with if I took 'em

hee hee thanks; very interesting.

26th March 2005, 03:51 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,340	The most important tool would probably be the adze Bill . After that the gimlet ; now the panabas could be used for shaping the edges of planking but at 3+ pounds it would be quite a burdensome tool to use all day . A drawknife , or plane would be better suited for the job . Last edited by Rick; 26th March 2005 at 07:18 PM.

26th March 2005, 07:56 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,340	Philippine Photos Can be found here : http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/corps/index.html Going back to browsing these excellent pictures .

27th March 2005, 08:57 AM	#8
zamboanga Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zamboanga city, philippines Posts: 132	SAMAL SHIPBUILDING TOOLS as promised here are the pics from Fort del Pilar museum. Attached Images

27th March 2005, 01:20 PM	#11
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	you guys....... Your worst pictures that you complain about are better than ones I'm happy with if I took 'em hee hee thanks; very interesting.

26th March 2005, 05:14 AM	#1
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,411	Mike: We had one on this old thread http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/002044.html but unfortunately the pictures are gone now. I'll see if I still have them. Ian.

26th March 2005, 02:44 PM	#2
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	From what I have read, the early "Moro" seldom used thier valuable iron for tools. But they were early ship builders, & a panabas would likely be valuable in the process. Anyone have info on "Moro" ship building. Seen quite a few referance to ship building in Mindanao but little attributed to early Sulu Archipelago. What early tools were needed?

26th March 2005, 07:12 PM	#4
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	Big difference between Sulu and Mindanao Moros. While Sulu was more known for its sea oriented endeavors, Mindanao did have extensive agriculture, and ag played a big part particularly for the Sultanate Buayan in their trade roles (rice for jungle products or sea products). However, both groups did have agricultural infrastructures, though in Sulu not as robust as Mindanao. This is part of the reason why Spain was so enamoured with Mindanao, with the arable land they had hoped it could be the rice basket (so to speak) of PI. Part of the reason it is so popular right now for Xtian colonization from other islands, ag land.

26th March 2005, 07:31 PM	#5
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	Everyone's got to eat.

27th March 2005, 09:07 AM	#9
zamboanga Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zamboanga city, philippines Posts: 132	sorry for the poor resolution had to take pictures on the sly ("bawal po sir") and my cam has outdated technology. the sangkil spears are the ones near the bottom. the three pointed spears are known as sapang as also used among tausugs. the yakan's sangkil comes in two variants: one with only one side of the head with a hook (what's the term?) and another type comes with both sides of the head with hooks and is known as "sulayang."

27th March 2005, 12:35 PM	#10
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	Zamboanga, Great info, Thanks. I haven't seen before a specific group credited as the shipbuilders. From what I have seen only 3 early wrecks have been researched. Wonder if the Samal are the "shipbuilders" of the whole area, or other groups did also. Appears "lash-lugging" technique is what makes it a PI ship.