Bali togogan (figural) hilts

lemmythesmith · 17th May 2008, 03:46 PM

Hi Alan, love the hilts! Is silver boy Bima? He has the "kuku pancanaka" long thumbnails which I believe are a characteristic of Bima. On bony boy I have no idea.....scary looking dude though!

A. G. Maisey · 19th May 2008, 08:32 AM

Yeah, I think a good guess for the silver one is Bima, but I really don't know what the other bloke is supposed to be. There's a whole heap of various nasties in Balinese folk lore, my guess is he's one of those.

Rick · 19th May 2008, 04:16 PM

Interesting, the 'slot' on boney's belly; a little too deep to be a fold of fat .

I have seen an ivory togo of a little boy in nearly the same pose .
I think we've all seen this particular example at some point or other; I just can't find a picture of the little fella .

A. G. Maisey · 19th May 2008, 11:07 PM

Yeah, you're right Rick. Its not a fat fold, its got another ridge inside it, and it curls up a bit at the ends. My guess is that it refers to some feature of the original nasty. Off the top of my head I don't know what this might be, but I'll have a look in a couple of books and see if I can find some character whose belly opens up. Probably one there somewhere.

Rick · 6th June 2008, 06:20 PM

Here's another fellow for identification .

What is he holding ?
There is a bit of reflective glass set in his headress .

Polychrome over wood; humble work but I like it .

lemmythesmith · 6th June 2008, 07:49 PM

Hi Rick, this guy is holding a similar thing, he's down as Barong or a temple guardian.....looks like it's a torch he's got hold of.

Rick · 6th June 2008, 09:22 PM

True they both hold similar objects but the aspect of each figure is very different .
The Togo seems to show downcast eyes and a serene appearance as opposed to the aggresive stance and bared fangs of the statue; this is a aspect often given the 'Good Guys' in the Wayang .
I don't think this fellow is a demon .

ganjawulung · 6th June 2008, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lemmythesmith

Hi Rick, this guy is holding a similar thing, he's down as Barong or a temple guardian.....looks like it's a torch he's got hold of.

This fellow is holding a "gada" (pls spell it - gaw-daw) or "godo". Bima usually used a "gada" as his weapon - beside his deadly "kuku pancanaka" or his long nail. But not every fellow with gada is Bima. Sometimes, demi-god, demi-ape Hanuman, Hanila, Hanggada and also Sugriwa, Subali sometimes use gada as their weapon...

Some "gate guardian" statues, also wears gada...

6th June 2008, 06:20 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Here's another fellow for identification . What is he holding ? There is a bit of reflective glass set in his headress . Polychrome over wood; humble work but I like it . Attached Images

6th June 2008, 07:49 PM	#6
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Hi Rick, this guy is holding a similar thing, he's down as Barong or a temple guardian.....looks like it's a torch he's got hold of. Attached Images

17th May 2008, 03:46 PM	#1
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Hi Alan, love the hilts! Is silver boy Bima? He has the "kuku pancanaka" long thumbnails which I believe are a characteristic of Bima. On bony boy I have no idea.....scary looking dude though!

19th May 2008, 08:32 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Yeah, I think a good guess for the silver one is Bima, but I really don't know what the other bloke is supposed to be. There's a whole heap of various nasties in Balinese folk lore, my guess is he's one of those.

19th May 2008, 04:16 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Interesting, the 'slot' on boney's belly; a little too deep to be a fold of fat . I have seen an ivory togo of a little boy in nearly the same pose . I think we've all seen this particular example at some point or other; I just can't find a picture of the little fella .

19th May 2008, 11:07 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Yeah, you're right Rick. Its not a fat fold, its got another ridge inside it, and it curls up a bit at the ends. My guess is that it refers to some feature of the original nasty. Off the top of my head I don't know what this might be, but I'll have a look in a couple of books and see if I can find some character whose belly opens up. Probably one there somewhere.

6th June 2008, 09:22 PM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	True they both hold similar objects but the aspect of each figure is very different . The Togo seems to show downcast eyes and a serene appearance as opposed to the aggresive stance and bared fangs of the statue; this is a aspect often given the 'Good Guys' in the Wayang . I don't think this fellow is a demon .