"Mad Mahdi" Dagger

Rick · 26th March 2005, 02:11 AM

Ahh , a kindjal or a qama perhaps ?

Aurangzeb · 26th March 2005, 03:54 AM

Hi rick!

I think it is a kindjal,I just chould not think of the name of it and it was bugging me!

Freddy · 27th March 2005, 04:52 PM

Hi Mark,

If you are interested in the history of the Sudan, especially the period of the Mahdi and afterwards, you should try to find this book :

- KARARI -
The Sudanese Account of the Battle of Omdurman

by Ismat Hasan Zulfo (1980)
(translated from the Arabic by Peter Clark)

ISBN : 0 7232 2677 6 5 (hard cover) or 0 7232 2499 4 (paperback)

This books tells the story of the battle of Omdurman and everything preceding it, from the view of the Sudanese. Most book on this topic are written by European writers using European (British) sources. This book gives a new perspective to the story. Really interesting.

Freddy

tom hyle · 27th March 2005, 08:51 PM

In answer to your question, in Sudan are numbers of people known as Arabs, and of Arabian descent, who to N Americans seem to be black Africans; thus we see this is somewhat a cultural/linguistic distinction; the construct of race, while having some validity, is a construct, and not one that exists or is prominant in all cultures. This helps to confuse matters when the N American newsmedia refer to the black Arabs as Arabs and the black Chrisitians and animists as black.

Aurangzeb · 27th March 2005, 10:26 PM

Hi all!

I recently found this metal etching on the internet.Take note that one of the Sudanese has a pistol tucked into his sash,whould this mean that my dagger as well might have been tucked in a sash around the waist?Sorry if the picture does not send I'm really am not good with a computer!

By for now

Rivkin · 27th March 2005, 11:04 PM

About kindjals and Sudan - I always thought that the slave trade in Sudan in the past few centuries was controlled by Circassians, I always thought that after the annihilation of mameluks by Arabs in Egypt they've finally settled in Dankla and other northern cities (Sudan remained under the mamluk control for a few extra decades).

But I've never seen any caucasian weaponry coming from Sudan.

To Jim: ugh, you may be surprised but until the latest DNA research was conducted, majority of georgians believed in their blood relation to celts, specifically to highlanders.

Aurangzeb · 28th March 2005, 12:39 AM

Hi Rivkin!

There must have been a slight misunderstandin(Probably a typo on my part,I'm not a good typist

).I was asking about kindjals in addition to my Sudanese dagger.

Sorry for the misunderstanding

Jim McDougall · 28th March 2005, 12:50 AM

To Jim: ugh, you may be surprised but until the latest DNA research was conducted, majority of georgians believed in their blood relation to celts, specifically to highlanders.[/QUOTE]

Rivkin,
Not sure I'm clear on what this means, especially the 'ugh'.
It seems the Khevsurs of mountain regions in Georgia have legends where they are presumed to have French ancestry from the time of the crusades, but didn't know about Highlander associations, other than the fact that Khevsurs were also considered 'mountaineers' or highlanders. Tell me more.
Best,
Jim

26th March 2005, 03:54 AM	#2
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	thats it! Hi rick! I think it is a kindjal,I just chould not think of the name of it and it was bugging me! Last edited by Aurangzeb; 26th March 2005 at 01:10 PM. Reason: typo

27th March 2005, 04:52 PM	#3
Freddy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sint-Amandsberg (near Ghent, Belgium) Posts: 830	Interesting book Hi Mark, If you are interested in the history of the Sudan, especially the period of the Mahdi and afterwards, you should try to find this book : - KARARI - The Sudanese Account of the Battle of Omdurman by Ismat Hasan Zulfo (1980) (translated from the Arabic by Peter Clark) ISBN : 0 7232 2677 6 5 (hard cover) or 0 7232 2499 4 (paperback) This books tells the story of the battle of Omdurman and everything preceding it, from the view of the Sudanese. Most book on this topic are written by European writers using European (British) sources. This book gives a new perspective to the story. Really interesting. Freddy Last edited by Freddy; 27th March 2005 at 04:54 PM. Reason: 'book' has to be 'books'

27th March 2005, 10:26 PM	#5
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Idea Hi all! I recently found this metal etching on the internet.Take note that one of the Sudanese has a pistol tucked into his sash,whould this mean that my dagger as well might have been tucked in a sash around the waist?Sorry if the picture does not send I'm really am not good with a computer! By for now Attached Images Last edited by Aurangzeb; 27th March 2005 at 10:32 PM. Reason: reword

28th March 2005, 12:39 AM	#7
Aurangzeb Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 306	Hi Hi Rivkin! There must have been a slight misunderstandin(Probably a typo on my part,I'm not a good typist ).I was asking about kindjals in addition to my Sudanese dagger. Sorry for the misunderstanding

26th March 2005, 02:11 AM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Ahh , a kindjal or a qama perhaps ?

27th March 2005, 08:51 PM	#4
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	In answer to your question, in Sudan are numbers of people known as Arabs, and of Arabian descent, who to N Americans seem to be black Africans; thus we see this is somewhat a cultural/linguistic distinction; the construct of race, while having some validity, is a construct, and not one that exists or is prominant in all cultures. This helps to confuse matters when the N American newsmedia refer to the black Arabs as Arabs and the black Chrisitians and animists as black.

27th March 2005, 11:04 PM	#6
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	About kindjals and Sudan - I always thought that the slave trade in Sudan in the past few centuries was controlled by Circassians, I always thought that after the annihilation of mameluks by Arabs in Egypt they've finally settled in Dankla and other northern cities (Sudan remained under the mamluk control for a few extra decades). But I've never seen any caucasian weaponry coming from Sudan. To Jim: ugh, you may be surprised but until the latest DNA research was conducted, majority of georgians believed in their blood relation to celts, specifically to highlanders.

28th March 2005, 12:50 AM	#8
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,459	To Jim: ugh, you may be surprised but until the latest DNA research was conducted, majority of georgians believed in their blood relation to celts, specifically to highlanders.[/QUOTE] Rivkin, Not sure I'm clear on what this means, especially the 'ugh'. It seems the Khevsurs of mountain regions in Georgia have legends where they are presumed to have French ancestry from the time of the crusades, but didn't know about Highlander associations, other than the fact that Khevsurs were also considered 'mountaineers' or highlanders. Tell me more. Best, Jim