Bali togogan (figural) hilts

BluErf · 7th May 2008, 02:20 PM

Could hilt number 4 be.... Ravana?

The headdress is a representation of the other 9 heads?

Btw, there's this other hilt which I've seen in recent times - that of a long-bearded old man. I don't have pics, but does any one know what that hilt represents?

Rick · 7th May 2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

Could hilt number 4 be.... Ravana?

The headdress is a representation of the other 9 heads?

Btw, there's this other hilt which I've seen in recent times - that of a long-bearded old man. I don't have pics, but does any one know what that hilt represents?

Could this be a Maduran interpretation of the hilt form you mention Kai Wee ?

Battara · 7th May 2008, 07:06 PM

If I am counting right, I think #4 is Bayu. The post after that is Hanuman.

David · 7th May 2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

If I am counting right, I think #4 is Bayu. The post after that is Hanuman.

hmmm...well, interestingly enough their positions have moved since i first looked at them. Might be because i am on a different computer right now. Anyway Jose, anyway you can be more specific about which one you mean?

A. G. Maisey · 7th May 2008, 07:34 PM

Let's clarify things a bit.

I failed to number these pics when I put them up.

Sorry.

Let's make Ganesha # 1 and the then go clockwise:- Hanuman # 2, -----, -----.

Kai Wee, what is origin and period of this long bearded man handle?

VVV · 7th May 2008, 08:45 PM

Maybe Kai-Wee's long-bearded old (Chinese?) man is this hilt?
It looks like he is holding a vajra.

Michael

David · 7th May 2008, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VVV

It looks like he is holding a vajra.

Michael, that's an awesome hilt. I think that might be a bell with the vajra. It looks like a bell coming down from his hand. These are often used in conjunction with each other.

VVV · 8th May 2008, 06:03 AM

David,

That seems probable as it's held in the left hand. Left and the bell represents the female principle in Tantric Buddhism/Vajrayana. Right hand and the vajra the male principle. Unfortunately the right hand is missing on this hilt.

Michael

BluErf · 8th May 2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VVV

Maybe Kai-Wee's long-bearded old (Chinese?) man is this hilt?
It looks like he is holding a vajra.

Michael

Bingo! This is the one I'm referring to. Thanks Michael.

Battara · 8th May 2008, 05:55 PM

Ok the gold and ruby hilt I think is Bayu (carring a "fan") and the black and silver one I think is Hanuman....

David · 7th May 2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Let's clarify things a bit.

I failed to number these pics when I put them up.

Sorry.

Let's make Ganesha # 1 and the then go clockwise:- Hanuman # 2, -----, -----

Sorry Alan, that still doesn't work. Depending on how big i open up my screen the hilts change position. I can get 2 on top and 2 on bottom or 3 on top and 1 on bottom (in these 2 variations the last 2 hilts switch positions) My screen at work is very larger and i can even get them to go straight across in one row when opened all the way.
One of these last 2 is golder (in the photo) and has mostly rubies (lets call this one "ruby"). The other has better detail and about half sapphire and half rubies (let's call this one "sapphire").

7th May 2008, 08:45 PM	#6
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7th May 2008, 02:20 PM	#1
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Could hilt number 4 be.... Ravana? The headdress is a representation of the other 9 heads? Btw, there's this other hilt which I've seen in recent times - that of a long-bearded old man. I don't have pics, but does any one know what that hilt represents?

7th May 2008, 07:06 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,325	If I am counting right, I think #4 is Bayu. The post after that is Hanuman.

7th May 2008, 07:34 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,056	Let's clarify things a bit. I failed to number these pics when I put them up. Sorry. Let's make Ganesha # 1 and the then go clockwise:- Hanuman # 2, -----, -----. Kai Wee, what is origin and period of this long bearded man handle?

8th May 2008, 06:03 AM	#8
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	David, That seems probable as it's held in the left hand. Left and the bell represents the female principle in Tantric Buddhism/Vajrayana. Right hand and the vajra the male principle. Unfortunately the right hand is missing on this hilt. Michael

8th May 2008, 05:55 PM	#10
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,325	Ok the gold and ruby hilt I think is Bayu (carring a "fan") and the black and silver one I think is Hanuman....