silver mounted file knife

RSWORD · 2nd May 2008, 06:11 PM

I believe this is an Arab knife referred to as shafra. Here is a link for one on Artzi's website and he has a couple of other examples if you utilize the search function but all 3 with silver handle. However, the handle decoration on this one is not off of typical Arab decoration. If you read Artzi's description he comments how these are often mistaken as Nepalese due to Stone and Egerton.

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1891

Berkley · 2nd May 2008, 07:54 PM

The Egerton reference is to figure 348, Plate IX, "Nepalese Arms" from "Indian and Oriental Arms and Armour" by Lord Egerton of Tatton (1896). Egerton describes it simply as "KNIFE; abruptly curved, grooved blade; silvered hilt. Nepal. L. 11 in." I have not found the Stone reference.
Several years ago John Powell had a somewhat similar knife which he believed to be Nepalese. If I recall correctly, he thought it was called a bank. Stone shows a bank which looks unlike either this knife or the shafras shown by Artzi, described as "A Mahratta knife with a sickle-shaped blade and straight handle.... The Wallace Catalogue describes other forms of knife under this name." I do not have access to the Wallace Catalogue, but would be interested to know what it says. As you say, this does not appear to be Arab silver work. The shape of the blade when vertical does look somewhat like a jambiya, and the arrangement of the ornaments on the handle is somewhat like I have seen on some jambiya hilts.

ariel · 3rd May 2008, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RSWORD

I believe this is an Arab knife referred to as shafra. Here is a link for one on Artzi's website and he has a couple of other examples if you utilize the search function but all 3 with silver handle. However, the handle decoration on this one is not off of typical Arab decoration. If you read Artzi's description he comments how these are often mistaken as Nepalese due to Stone and Egerton.

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1891

I second the motion.

Tim Simmons · 4th May 2008, 04:48 PM

There are aspects to the decoration that are rather similar to these weapons from the Himalayan lands.

Remarkably so, I go with Berkley and Egerton.

Battara · 4th May 2008, 08:33 PM

I notion that motion and go with the shafra.....

BTW - the mounts look like a mix of brass,copper, and white metal or tin....

Berkley · 4th May 2008, 08:57 PM

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BTW - the mounts look like a mix of brass,copper, and white metal or tin....

Brass and copper, but I believe what looks like white metal is low-grade silver. Application of a silver polishing cloth brings up a nice luster, but the tarnish is more grey than the blackish oxidation on silver of greater purity. .

Tim Simmons · 4th May 2008, 08:59 PM

Does the metal matter more than the form?

Berkley · 4th May 2008, 09:30 PM

Not for purposes of identification, but I'll take a quantity of silver over an equivalent amount of white metal any day

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2nd May 2008, 07:54 PM	#2
Berkley Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austin, Texas USA Posts: 257	The Egerton reference is to figure 348, Plate IX, "Nepalese Arms" from "Indian and Oriental Arms and Armour" by Lord Egerton of Tatton (1896). Egerton describes it simply as "KNIFE; abruptly curved, grooved blade; silvered hilt. Nepal. L. 11 in." I have not found the Stone reference. Several years ago John Powell had a somewhat similar knife which he believed to be Nepalese. If I recall correctly, he thought it was called a bank. Stone shows a bank which looks unlike either this knife or the shafras shown by Artzi, described as "A Mahratta knife with a sickle-shaped blade and straight handle.... The Wallace Catalogue describes other forms of knife under this name." I do not have access to the Wallace Catalogue, but would be interested to know what it says. As you say, this does not appear to be Arab silver work. The shape of the blade when vertical does look somewhat like a jambiya, and the arrangement of the ornaments on the handle is somewhat like I have seen on some jambiya hilts. Attached Images

4th May 2008, 04:48 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,912	There are aspects to the decoration that are rather similar to these weapons from the Himalayan lands. Remarkably so, I go with Berkley and Egerton. Attached Images

2nd May 2008, 06:11 PM	#1
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,091	I believe this is an Arab knife referred to as shafra. Here is a link for one on Artzi's website and he has a couple of other examples if you utilize the search function but all 3 with silver handle. However, the handle decoration on this one is not off of typical Arab decoration. If you read Artzi's description he comments how these are often mistaken as Nepalese due to Stone and Egerton. http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=1891

4th May 2008, 08:33 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,341	I notion that motion and go with the shafra..... BTW - the mounts look like a mix of brass,copper, and white metal or tin....

4th May 2008, 08:59 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,912	Does the metal matter more than the form?

4th May 2008, 09:30 PM	#8
Berkley Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Austin, Texas USA Posts: 257	Not for purposes of identification, but I'll take a quantity of silver over an equivalent amount of white metal any day .