Trabzon Sword

Jeff D · 22nd April 2008, 09:48 PM

Hi Norman,

Very nice piece! the date on the blade is 1328 by the Maliyya calandar. That is roughly 1912 Gregorian.

All the best
Jeff

Norman McCormick · 22nd April 2008, 10:58 PM

Lew, Many thanks.
David, I'm pretty sure it's down to the finish.
Wayne, If you drool on me do I not rust!!!!!
Jeff, Thanks for the dating info.
Regards to all,
Norman.

Gavin Nugent · 23rd April 2008, 01:03 AM

That is very nice Norman, I have never seen anything like it. For my own interest could you post larger images of the fuller arrangement and another of the markings near the hilt.

regards

Gavin

Jim McDougall · 23rd April 2008, 05:20 AM

This truly is a beauty! and most unusual. Interesting that the scabbard is similar to those found on.....dare I say it

the Black Sea knives!!!
A number of these are believed provenanced from Trebizon.

Best regards,
Jim

ariel · 23rd April 2008, 06:06 AM

I showed 2 of mine here:
http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001960.html
These are, indeed, Trabzon Surmenes and the complexity of their fullers is outstanding!
I read some of my comments and... blushed.
But... that's the price of acquiring knowledge: first, one has to be ignorant

kronckew · 23rd April 2008, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Wayne, If you drool on me do I not rust!!!!!
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i drool mineral oil

Norman McCormick · 23rd April 2008, 08:48 PM

Dear All,
Many thanks for the appreciative comments. Gavin here are some more photos as requested. I have taken a better shot of the scabbard mouth, I haven't seen this before, is this the normal arrangement for scabbards on these weapons?
Wayne, have you thought of sinking a well, you could be worth a few quid !!!!!!
Regards,
Norman.

katana · 23rd April 2008, 09:03 PM

Hi Norman,

When you first mentioned the scabbard throat, I had assumed the leather had been cut to allow it to be folded and 'glued' to the inner surface (the 'cuts' allow the leather to overlap 'itself' , giving a neater finish. and that they had detached from the scabbard and needed 're-gluing'.
However, since the leather is 'scalloped' I now think that you are right, in that it appears to function as protection to the 'sheathed' blade. This I have not seen before.
I have seen 'raw' lambs wool fixed within the throat of some scabbards (but, not of this type of sword), this had the dual function of 'wiping the blade' as it was sheathed and coating it with lanolin....to help prevent rust.

Love the blade

Regards David

22nd April 2008, 10:58 PM	#2
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,646	Lew, Many thanks. David, I'm pretty sure it's down to the finish. Wayne, If you drool on me do I not rust!!!!! Jeff, Thanks for the dating info. Regards to all, Norman. Last edited by Norman McCormick; 22nd April 2008 at 11:10 PM.

23rd April 2008, 01:03 AM	#3
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Absolutely gorgeous That is very nice Norman, I have never seen anything like it. For my own interest could you post larger images of the fuller arrangement and another of the markings near the hilt. regards Gavin

23rd April 2008, 08:48 PM	#7
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,646	Dear All, Many thanks for the appreciative comments. Gavin here are some more photos as requested. I have taken a better shot of the scabbard mouth, I haven't seen this before, is this the normal arrangement for scabbards on these weapons? Wayne, have you thought of sinking a well, you could be worth a few quid !!!!!! Regards, Norman. Attached Images

22nd April 2008, 09:48 PM	#1
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Hi Norman, Very nice piece! the date on the blade is 1328 by the Maliyya calandar. That is roughly 1912 Gregorian. All the best Jeff

23rd April 2008, 05:20 AM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,670	This truly is a beauty! and most unusual. Interesting that the scabbard is similar to those found on.....dare I say it the Black Sea knives!!! A number of these are believed provenanced from Trebizon. Best regards, Jim

23rd April 2008, 06:06 AM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I showed 2 of mine here: http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001960.html These are, indeed, Trabzon Surmenes and the complexity of their fullers is outstanding! I read some of my comments and... blushed. But... that's the price of acquiring knowledge: first, one has to be ignorant

23rd April 2008, 09:03 PM	#8
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Norman, When you first mentioned the scabbard throat, I had assumed the leather had been cut to allow it to be folded and 'glued' to the inner surface (the 'cuts' allow the leather to overlap 'itself' , giving a neater finish. and that they had detached from the scabbard and needed 're-gluing'. However, since the leather is 'scalloped' I now think that you are right, in that it appears to function as protection to the 'sheathed' blade. This I have not seen before. I have seen 'raw' lambs wool fixed within the throat of some scabbards (but, not of this type of sword), this had the dual function of 'wiping the blade' as it was sheathed and coating it with lanolin....to help prevent rust. Love the blade Regards David