Nimcha, literally

Jeff D · 20th April 2008, 06:36 AM

Hi Teodor,

As stated by Jim this is a Solingen product, late 18th to early 19th century. The sun, moon and star motifs are typical and often confused with the much more elaborate etchings of Peter Munich. The only maker's mark that I have seen on the same blade as these etchings is J.J. Runkle (1750-1808). I don't know if he is associated with all of these symbols or if a separate engraver made them for a number of manufactures?
Now here is where I get sweaty palms, by not completely agreeing with Jim

. I think this is a shortened blade, from most likely a heavy cavalry backsword. Do you have the measurements? Sweet piece!

All the Best.
Jeff

TVV · 20th April 2008, 09:14 AM

Jim and Jeff,
Thank you for your comments. The overall length of the entire sword is 31 inches. My feeling is also that it has been shortened. I will try to get a picture of the tip and more detailed measurements tomorrow.
Thanks,
Teodor

Jim McDougall · 20th April 2008, 08:40 PM

In taking a closer look at the blade tip here, it does not appear 'center point' and with that does appear shortened, and I concur with Teodor and Jeff

This makes a great deal more sense, as horsemans sword blades of the 1770's to 1780's were straight and commonly of this section.

All best regards,
JIm

TVV · 20th April 2008, 09:33 PM

Here is a picture of the tip

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Jim McDougall · 21st April 2008, 12:06 AM

Thank you Teodor! The modification is clearly seen...and I need my glasses checked!

All the best,
Jim

TVV · 21st April 2008, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Thank you Teodor! The modification is clearly seen...and I need my glasses checked!

All the best,
Jim

Jim,

As far as your glasses are concerned, I would like to get a pair of those, as they allow you to often see things that evade other observers.
In this case we agree that the blade is shortened. Is there any chance this may have been done on purpose, to adapt the blade for naval use?

Thanks,
Teodor

ariel · 21st April 2008, 03:43 AM

Why necessarily naval? Couldn't the owner just be a "shorty"? Or having personal preference? Or the sword being more "parade" variety? Or... Who knows what other reason people might have had to wear a shorter sword?Certainly, other fighting swords all over the world had variable lengths.

20th April 2008, 09:33 PM	#4
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20th April 2008, 06:36 AM	#1
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Hi Teodor, As stated by Jim this is a Solingen product, late 18th to early 19th century. The sun, moon and star motifs are typical and often confused with the much more elaborate etchings of Peter Munich. The only maker's mark that I have seen on the same blade as these etchings is J.J. Runkle (1750-1808). I don't know if he is associated with all of these symbols or if a separate engraver made them for a number of manufactures? Now here is where I get sweaty palms, by not completely agreeing with Jim . I think this is a shortened blade, from most likely a heavy cavalry backsword. Do you have the measurements? Sweet piece! All the Best. Jeff

20th April 2008, 09:14 AM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	Jim and Jeff, Thank you for your comments. The overall length of the entire sword is 31 inches. My feeling is also that it has been shortened. I will try to get a picture of the tip and more detailed measurements tomorrow. Thanks, Teodor

20th April 2008, 08:40 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,284	In taking a closer look at the blade tip here, it does not appear 'center point' and with that does appear shortened, and I concur with Teodor and Jeff This makes a great deal more sense, as horsemans sword blades of the 1770's to 1780's were straight and commonly of this section. All best regards, JIm

21st April 2008, 12:06 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,284	Thank you Teodor! The modification is clearly seen...and I need my glasses checked! All the best, Jim

21st April 2008, 03:43 AM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Why necessarily naval? Couldn't the owner just be a "shorty"? Or having personal preference? Or the sword being more "parade" variety? Or... Who knows what other reason people might have had to wear a shorter sword?Certainly, other fighting swords all over the world had variable lengths.