Kindjal for coments

ariel · 20th April 2008, 12:03 AM

The scabbard ornaments look Balkan to me. The blade... Daghestani trade blade.
Overall, hard to call it Caucasian

fernando · 20th April 2008, 12:07 AM

Thank you Ariel.
18th century for the blade, makes any sense ?

ariel · 20th April 2008, 05:48 AM

Unlikely. There are less than 20 known Kindjal blades in existence dated 18th century ( I have one) . None from the 17th. Check Miller's book "Kaukasiske Wappen".

fernando · 20th April 2008, 06:37 PM

Thank you once more. I will register the data on this piece, concerning blade and scabbard, as per your input. I will consider its age as being XIX century.
Funny thing i can't spot that book in the Net

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Kind regards
Fernando

TVV · 20th April 2008, 08:16 PM

I think Oriental Arms may have a copy of the book.
As for the kindjal, I wish I could help more, but all I can do is agree with Ariel that the Scabbard and hilt look like late 19th century Balkan work.

fernando · 21st April 2008, 11:29 PM

Book found at Oriental Arms.
Thanks a lot.
Fernando

fernando · 21st May 2008, 09:57 PM

I was scrolling the PDF pages of this book about Caucasian Weapons by E. Astvacaturyan, that a member ( i don't remember whom) has provided us long time ago by email and, in page 145, there is a sketch with what i think to be several makers marks seen on 19th century kindjals. To my unexperienced eyes one of these marks seems to be the same as part of the symbols in the example i have posted in this thread. I am a zero in Russian, but this part of the book appears to be the Daghestan section ... precisely the area mentioned by Ariel as being the provenance of the discussed piece.
Could those members with more knowledge in this subject give a coment on this similarity ?
Ariel, could you help ?
Thanks
Fernando

21st May 2008, 09:57 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I was scrolling the PDF pages of this book about Caucasian Weapons by E. Astvacaturyan, that a member ( i don't remember whom) has provided us long time ago by email and, in page 145, there is a sketch with what i think to be several makers marks seen on 19th century kindjals. To my unexperienced eyes one of these marks seems to be the same as part of the symbols in the example i have posted in this thread. I am a zero in Russian, but this part of the book appears to be the Daghestan section ... precisely the area mentioned by Ariel as being the provenance of the discussed piece. Could those members with more knowledge in this subject give a coment on this similarity ? Ariel, could you help ? Thanks Fernando Attached Images

20th April 2008, 12:03 AM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	The scabbard ornaments look Balkan to me. The blade... Daghestani trade blade. Overall, hard to call it Caucasian

20th April 2008, 12:07 AM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Ariel. 18th century for the blade, makes any sense ?

20th April 2008, 05:48 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Unlikely. There are less than 20 known Kindjal blades in existence dated 18th century ( I have one) . None from the 17th. Check Miller's book "Kaukasiske Wappen".

20th April 2008, 06:37 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you once more. I will register the data on this piece, concerning blade and scabbard, as per your input. I will consider its age as being XIX century. Funny thing i can't spot that book in the Net . Kind regards Fernando

20th April 2008, 08:16 PM	#5
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,716	I think Oriental Arms may have a copy of the book. As for the kindjal, I wish I could help more, but all I can do is agree with Ariel that the Scabbard and hilt look like late 19th century Balkan work.

21st April 2008, 11:29 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Book found at Oriental Arms. Thanks a lot. Fernando