Interesting Bayonet?

Tim Simmons · 15th April 2008, 06:30 AM

kronckew, anybody?

Can you show the cleaning stick on this rifle with a diameter? As I do not think the bayonet would fit. This is just a stabbing weapon based on the bayonet. The holes in the handle are just part of the concept. If you could get the rifle then the bayonets could have been got hold of too?

kronckew · 15th April 2008, 07:09 AM

don't have one myself but

picture of the muzzle end, 1886 lebel:

the lebel bayonet appears to seat on the end of the tubular 8 round magazine rather than the protruding rod under it which is quite narrow. (see the pic of the 'legionairre' above). that rod is a stacking 'hook', used in camp to allow the rifles to be tripoded for easy access. the stacking hook was added in the mod. of 1893 and was not found on the earlier 1886 model which required the bayonet be in place to use it's hook for stacking.

i'd guess, even tho i suspect the subject item was based on the lebel bayonet, that it was not actually made to fit one. the grooved top of the grip and the pommel base are wrong. may have been made to fit another rifle entirely, or as you say, no rifle at all. i concurr that if they'd been able to capture a lebel rifle they could have taken the bayonet at the same time (unless they were stealing from an arsenal where the bayonets were kept seperately & they did not have the time or inclination to hunt them up)

must be a bunch of lebel owners out there (bill marsh?) who could comment further.

15th April 2008, 07:09 AM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,215	don't have one myself but picture of the muzzle end, 1886 lebel: the lebel bayonet appears to seat on the end of the tubular 8 round magazine rather than the protruding rod under it which is quite narrow. (see the pic of the 'legionairre' above). that rod is a stacking 'hook', used in camp to allow the rifles to be tripoded for easy access. the stacking hook was added in the mod. of 1893 and was not found on the earlier 1886 model which required the bayonet be in place to use it's hook for stacking. i'd guess, even tho i suspect the subject item was based on the lebel bayonet, that it was not actually made to fit one. the grooved top of the grip and the pommel base are wrong. may have been made to fit another rifle entirely, or as you say, no rifle at all. i concurr that if they'd been able to capture a lebel rifle they could have taken the bayonet at the same time (unless they were stealing from an arsenal where the bayonets were kept seperately & they did not have the time or inclination to hunt them up) must be a bunch of lebel owners out there (bill marsh?) who could comment further. Last edited by kronckew; 15th April 2008 at 08:18 AM.

15th April 2008, 06:30 AM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	kronckew, anybody? Can you show the cleaning stick on this rifle with a diameter? As I do not think the bayonet would fit. This is just a stabbing weapon based on the bayonet. The holes in the handle are just part of the concept. If you could get the rifle then the bayonets could have been got hold of too?