Espada ancha

Jim McDougall · 8th April 2008, 02:40 PM

...and there I was, surrounded by piles of notes

In the pirate sword thread posted by M Eley, there is a great example of espada ancha shown from his collection, which has been recently identified as Brazilian. This has a large shellguard which is a striated steel handguard. I have seen these with English blades from the late 18th century, which suggests this form was likely early 19th century.

Many of the espada anchas from New Spain also carry a clamshell, though rather than an encompassing handguard, it is in the form of a langet. I have often wondered if these clamshells had any particular symbolism, or reason for being chosen as motif. Possibly the large shellguards of the 17th century hunting hangers often seen on English examples might have influenced the frontier smiths who skillfully created these hilts?

It seems little known that the espada ancha had a degree of influence in other far regions of the Spanish dominians, in the Phillipines. It would be interesting to see examples of these weapons, which are typically of course identified with the terms applied to them locally.

Best regards,
Jim

Robert · 10th April 2008, 04:33 PM

Hi Jim,
Here are a couple daggers and a couple of swords that I think might fall into what you are talking about. These have all been previously discussed on the forum but if anyone is interested I will post links to them.

Robert

Jim McDougall · 10th April 2008, 05:47 PM

Hi Robert,
Thank you so much for responding!

These very nice examples you have posted indeed represent the types of weapons I had mentioned in the Phillipines, and though not directly 'espada anchas', they do illustrate the Spanish influence on these weapons.
The example with the interesting finger ring is typically identified as a 'Central American dirk' and as part of the Spanish Colonial influence sphere ( Levines, revised 4th Ed.1997, p.461, A.8).

The Spanish Colonial heading covers a vast part of the globe, and thier colonization and trade naturally accounts for the diffusion and influence of weapons of many forms throughout the 17th-19th centuries. It seems that a great deal of misconception and misidentification is relatively common due to the often shallow understanding of the dynamics of this important history.

I am hoping that others here might join in this discussion so that we can learn more on this topic, not only on the espada ancha, which is associated primarily with New Spain and Mexico, but Spanish Colonial weapons which were often influenced by them.

Thank you so much for your very pertinant examples!

All the best,
Jim

M ELEY · 11th April 2008, 02:57 AM

Jim, you mention "Levine". I'm unfamiliar with most books on espada aside from Brinkerhoff/Chanberlain's book. Could you possibly list some good references from your past experiences, like the volume by Levine or others? Always looking to add to my lil' library.

BTW, any luck finding that Adams article? I did several general searches, but didn't come up with anything solid. Part of the problem being, whenever I use 'espada' as a search word, many articles come up in Spanish.

Jim McDougall · 11th April 2008, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M ELEY

Jim, you mention "Levine". I'm unfamiliar with most books on espada aside from Brinkerhoff/Chanberlain's book. Could you possibly list some good references from your past experiences, like the volume by Levine or others? Always looking to add to my lil' library.

BTW, any luck finding that Adams article? I did several general searches, but didn't come up with anything solid. Part of the problem being, whenever I use 'espada' as a search word, many articles come up in Spanish.

Hi Mark,
I'm sorry I didn't give the full reference, the book is "Levine's Guide to Knives and Their Values", by Bernard Levine, 4th edition, 1997. Actually the book is a great reference for sort of a catch all on knife esoterica, and really has nothing on the espada ancha.
I did find the Adams article online, on Therion Arms site, where Hal has placed some very helpful material. I once tried to get the Adams article through the publisher, but it was pretty complicated. Its four pages, and pretty useful.
Literature on these is pretty scant, as can be seen, so my thoughts were that maybe there might be others out there with either examples or interest in these.

All the best,
Jim

M ELEY · 11th April 2008, 04:32 AM

Great! I'll check out Therion's site, as I was also interested in this article you mentioned. Thanks!

fernando · 10th June 2008, 02:53 PM

Hi Jim,
... Just for the record

This is a (lousy

) picture of the (apparently) only specimen of Espada Ancha at the Montjuic Military Museum of Barcelona.
Fernando

10th April 2008, 04:33 PM	#2
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hi Jim, Here are a couple daggers and a couple of swords that I think might fall into what you are talking about. These have all been previously discussed on the forum but if anyone is interested I will post links to them. Robert Attached Images

10th June 2008, 02:53 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Jim, ... Just for the record This is a (lousy ) picture of the (apparently) only specimen of Espada Ancha at the Montjuic Military Museum of Barcelona. Fernando Attached Images

8th April 2008, 02:40 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	...and there I was, surrounded by piles of notes In the pirate sword thread posted by M Eley, there is a great example of espada ancha shown from his collection, which has been recently identified as Brazilian. This has a large shellguard which is a striated steel handguard. I have seen these with English blades from the late 18th century, which suggests this form was likely early 19th century. Many of the espada anchas from New Spain also carry a clamshell, though rather than an encompassing handguard, it is in the form of a langet. I have often wondered if these clamshells had any particular symbolism, or reason for being chosen as motif. Possibly the large shellguards of the 17th century hunting hangers often seen on English examples might have influenced the frontier smiths who skillfully created these hilts? It seems little known that the espada ancha had a degree of influence in other far regions of the Spanish dominians, in the Phillipines. It would be interesting to see examples of these weapons, which are typically of course identified with the terms applied to them locally. Best regards, Jim

10th April 2008, 05:47 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Hi Robert, Thank you so much for responding! These very nice examples you have posted indeed represent the types of weapons I had mentioned in the Phillipines, and though not directly 'espada anchas', they do illustrate the Spanish influence on these weapons. The example with the interesting finger ring is typically identified as a 'Central American dirk' and as part of the Spanish Colonial influence sphere ( Levines, revised 4th Ed.1997, p.461, A.8). The Spanish Colonial heading covers a vast part of the globe, and thier colonization and trade naturally accounts for the diffusion and influence of weapons of many forms throughout the 17th-19th centuries. It seems that a great deal of misconception and misidentification is relatively common due to the often shallow understanding of the dynamics of this important history. I am hoping that others here might join in this discussion so that we can learn more on this topic, not only on the espada ancha, which is associated primarily with New Spain and Mexico, but Spanish Colonial weapons which were often influenced by them. Thank you so much for your very pertinant examples! All the best, Jim

11th April 2008, 02:57 AM	#4
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,158	Jim, you mention "Levine". I'm unfamiliar with most books on espada aside from Brinkerhoff/Chanberlain's book. Could you possibly list some good references from your past experiences, like the volume by Levine or others? Always looking to add to my lil' library. BTW, any luck finding that Adams article? I did several general searches, but didn't come up with anything solid. Part of the problem being, whenever I use 'espada' as a search word, many articles come up in Spanish.

11th April 2008, 04:32 AM	#6
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,158	Great! I'll check out Therion's site, as I was also interested in this article you mentioned. Thanks!