Ebay UK ban sale of "samarai swords"

[Gavin Nugent]

If you want to sell them let me know too.

I have read though, if you can't afford the airfair out of England to relocate, the old English law still states(I beleive) that the penalty for defacing a bridge in the locality of Cornwall is deportation to Australia. Our doors are open!!!

Although many people find ebay of use to dispose of said items it is unfortunate that that avenue has been closed, I do however think you will find that law will be permitting the export of these prohibited item from their shores with no repercussions much like Australian state laws. Although I cannot own certain illegal items in my state, the irony is that if I did own one (illegally for want of a better word) and was posting it to an international destination there is no problems or avenue for prosecution, just get it off our shores is all that matters.

Ebay aside, as mentioned in a previous thread that this law is an ammendment and no one has yet posted the full guidelines of the current law that this ammendment concerns.
As Ashoka stated "Antique swords over 100 years old are exempt. For clarification the chap fielding enquiries is Jonathon Batt tel: 0207 0351807 who should be able to answer any queries."

Again this does not concern ebay at all but it should stop some of the panic from collectors, oh hang on, panic!! Panic!!! We want you swordsover here!!!!

regards

Gav

[spiral]

Originally Posted by freebooter

, I do however think you will find that law will be permitting the export of these prohibited item from their shores with no repercussions much like Australian state laws.

Sadley the law wasnt written by someone who followed your thoughts!

Thats Only for licensced dealers in the UK, not ordinary people. Sale or transfer of post 1908 curved swords with 50cm blades,will be illegal from Sunday for private individuals.

If you read the ammendants suggested in the Lords a couple of weeks ago you woud cry or laugh.

There nothing to panic about, it just ends a lot of collectors refining or adding to thier collections over the years. Or selling them when times are hard to recoup some funds etc.



Spiral

[Tim Simmons]

What is the basic low down devoid of any emotional outrage of this act in relation to a small time collector? Buying? Selling? Will ebay still be a venue to sell/buy 100year? old antique swords? Can anybody come up with the stated facts? So far I gather pre 1908 should be no problem? I think nearly all ethnographic will now be described with certainty as 19th century. The market will be affected. With less sales on ebay, the dealers that sell face to face may benefit hugely? I think for some it will work in there favour. I doubt prices will go down on good condition stuff anyway, just gain in age.

[Tim Simmons]

Sorry to go on about this. I have been searching for simple clear information on this matter. Please correct me if I am wrong; even post 1908 bladed weapons ww1 ww2 stuff? can still be purchased from licensed dealers? presumably one would also be able to sell to such licensed dealers. This I think will also be inflationary. Some dealers will be on a good thing. Perhaps why we do not hear from them?

[spiral]

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

So far I gather pre 1908 should be no problem? I think nearly all ethnographic will now be described with certainty as 19th century. The market will be affected. With less sales on ebay, the dealers that sell face to face may benefit hugely? I think for some it will work in there favour. I doubt prices will go down on good condition stuff anyway, just gain in age.

I think ebays rule & policing of the act will evolve over time as it has with inert grenades,ivory, etc.

Some licensed dealers will be able to sell post 1908 weapons to theartre companys, film crews, & insured martial artists. {It ok to have a lethal weapon if you train in fighting with it! }


i hate to be the profit of doom but after reading hansard etc. it is going to get worse... & soon. forewarned can be forarmed! {no pun intended! } Heres somes exerts.....
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Earl Attlee: I agree with everything that has been said by noble Lords, but I am curious about the curved blade. I am slightly anxious that it would be possible to import a batch of swords with straight blades, which would fall outside the provisions, and then, by a simple and well understood engineering process—putting them through a roller—cause the blades to bend. I do not understand why all long blades are not banned. I can foresee people importing straight blades and making them curved.

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Lord West of Spithead: I thank noble Lords for those valid points. I hope I will be able to answer them all, and I appreciate the views. The noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, mentioned, correctly, that the definition does not pick up cheap ninja swords, which are straight, and that it touches slightly on krises. I remember reading about krises in the Wizard years ago in a story about a chap in Borneo. They are unpleasant, sharp, double-sided knives. In my initial speech, I tried to put across that the intention is to try to pick on ninja swords, which are very attractive to some young people. They watch films such as “Kill Bill” and think it is frightfully clever to have them to show off with.

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The noble Earl made a point about bending sword blades, and he is right that that can be done. We shall have to keep looking at this, and perhaps at some time in the future we shall say that any blade over 50 centimetres—which is long—should be banned. At the moment, it is difficult to do that.

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So with idiots like this adding there imput it just will get worse.

They are aiming to ban more in october & they are not inviting an consultations about it.

The Wizard I think was a comic? but Earl Atttlees" by a simple and well understood engineering process—putting them through a roller—cause the blades to bend" is hysterical! He obviosly a bit of an engineer! But the Goverments man agrreeed with him!


Spiral

Hansard link... linky...

[Tim Simmons]

In ten years time, there will be lots of very expensive ww1 {German curved}swords on the market. You might be able to get one from a dealer but waiting ten years will probably be cheaper.

All this bending nonsense from Lord F+++wits just show the subtle, insidious them and us aspect to the structure of the UK. Something I do not think our cousins across the water really understand.