Ebay UK ban sale of "samarai swords"

TVV · 2nd April 2008, 04:38 PM

Who buys Japanese swords on eBay anyway? I mean, real nihon-to, not the "exquisite rosewood warrior japanese samurai housecarl katana".

kronckew · 2nd April 2008, 04:47 PM

the law does not ban samurai swords, 'samurai' is never mentioned, they are exempt. it only bans curved swords over 50cm. from being sold, loaned, or traded 'unless made in japan before 1954 or made in japan by traditional methods' - with 'traditional methods undefined. as shin gunto and military 'samurai swrords were mass produced machine made junk in ww2, i guess they're 'traditional made' so junk samurai swords are still legal as long as they are shipped in from japan. like our cars. nothing made in europe or britain, or anywhere else in the world is legal. tojo is laughing in his grave...

and ebay is covering it's butt. it's not the 'who buys nihonto on ebay' it's the trade in old non-japanese swords found in attics, the old klewangs and dha's and indian tulwars, shamshirs and saifs in peoples attics, the old french sabre great great grandpa brought back from waterloo that can no longer be traded on ebay, or in shops or at shows & they will likely be thrown into the bin and lost forever...

you can buy them from an 'approved' dealer if you belong to an approved martial arts association or a re-enactment association and can prove it to the dealer who will record all the details. the govt. can then in future know who's house to goto to confiscate them when they feel like it, like the mayor of new orleans did after the hurricane. just being a 'collector' is insufficient. the value of any swords i have now is basically gone from a fair amount to nil with no compensation and for no purpose other than to make our govt. look good.

"the right to buy weapons is the right to be free" -a.e. van vogt

dennee · 2nd April 2008, 06:38 PM

Glad they haven't gotten to straight swords yet.

ALEX · 2nd April 2008, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

....the value of any swords i have now is basically gone from a fair amount to nil with no compensation and for no purpose other than to make our govt. look good.

Do not count your losses yet, my friend. The effect on the value of your collection can be quite positive, AS LONG AS DEMAND IS PRESENT. And it is the case now, and will be for a long while. Banning these swords from ebay, etc will NOT decrease their high demand and interest. Just look at the lessons of prohibition era, not even mentioning the drug industry

spiral · 2nd April 2008, 07:53 PM

I agree Kronckew, essentialy our swords are worth infinatly less than they were, , accept in illegal sales, but without ebay they are just worth local village junk shop England prices , not international world market prices.

Sadly I doubt if the Torys would do it differently, they all just run the country for their own ends & those of there mates, they just play with the population & newspapers etc. But I digress.

But as I said in this thread...
linky...

"If you live in "Blighty" "land of the free" & want a longish curved blade youve got 8 weeks to get it."

I would now add to that statement , it seems likley that if you want a longish straight blade in or from England you've got 6 months left to get it, {or sell it if you dont want it.}

Luckily I took my own advice. But theres still some pieces I would have liked that I will probably never own.

I think this law should have been introduced yesterday, Aprill fools day would have been a suitible timing.

Spiral

2nd April 2008, 04:47 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	the law does not ban samurai swords, 'samurai' is never mentioned, they are exempt. it only bans curved swords over 50cm. from being sold, loaned, or traded 'unless made in japan before 1954 or made in japan by traditional methods' - with 'traditional methods undefined. as shin gunto and military 'samurai swrords were mass produced machine made junk in ww2, i guess they're 'traditional made' so junk samurai swords are still legal as long as they are shipped in from japan. like our cars. nothing made in europe or britain, or anywhere else in the world is legal. tojo is laughing in his grave... and ebay is covering it's butt. it's not the 'who buys nihonto on ebay' it's the trade in old non-japanese swords found in attics, the old klewangs and dha's and indian tulwars, shamshirs and saifs in peoples attics, the old french sabre great great grandpa brought back from waterloo that can no longer be traded on ebay, or in shops or at shows & they will likely be thrown into the bin and lost forever... you can buy them from an 'approved' dealer if you belong to an approved martial arts association or a re-enactment association and can prove it to the dealer who will record all the details. the govt. can then in future know who's house to goto to confiscate them when they feel like it, like the mayor of new orleans did after the hurricane. just being a 'collector' is insufficient. the value of any swords i have now is basically gone from a fair amount to nil with no compensation and for no purpose other than to make our govt. look good. "the right to buy weapons is the right to be free" -a.e. van vogt Last edited by kronckew; 2nd April 2008 at 05:05 PM.

2nd April 2008, 04:38 PM	#1
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	Who buys Japanese swords on eBay anyway? I mean, real nihon-to, not the "exquisite rosewood warrior japanese samurai housecarl katana".

2nd April 2008, 06:38 PM	#3
dennee Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: College Park, MD Posts: 186	Glad they haven't gotten to straight swords yet.

2nd April 2008, 07:53 PM	#5
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	I agree Kronckew, essentialy our swords are worth infinatly less than they were, , accept in illegal sales, but without ebay they are just worth local village junk shop England prices , not international world market prices. Sadly I doubt if the Torys would do it differently, they all just run the country for their own ends & those of there mates, they just play with the population & newspapers etc. But I digress. But as I said in this thread... linky... "If you live in "Blighty" "land of the free" & want a longish curved blade youve got 8 weeks to get it." I would now add to that statement , it seems likley that if you want a longish straight blade in or from England you've got 6 months left to get it, {or sell it if you dont want it.} Luckily I took my own advice. But theres still some pieces I would have liked that I will probably never own. I think this law should have been introduced yesterday, Aprill fools day would have been a suitible timing. Spiral