Help with yatagans' inscriptions

TVV · 31st March 2008, 05:24 PM

Dom,

Thank you very much, this is extremely helpful! I think the inscriptions are in Turkish, not Arabic. To me the date on the blade with the gold inscriptions looks like 127? instead of 137?. 137? would place it in the middle of last century, which is a bit too late, while 127? makes perfect sense.
However, by translating "I go with God's blessing" on both of these blades, you have increased the suspicion that these may have been made in the same workshop. If indeed the date on the longer yatagan is 137(1?) that would place it within 5 years of the other one. No conclusive proof yet, but getting closer.

Teodor

Zifir · 31st March 2008, 08:49 PM

It took me some time to recognize this formula. Finally thanks to a better script I was able to read it in another post.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5889

The inscription is:
Yemliha, Mekselina, Mislina, Mernuş, Debernuş, Şazenuş, Kefeştatayuş, Kıtmir

These are the names of Eshab-i Keyf (Seven Sleepers) and their dog.

Zifir · 31st March 2008, 08:52 PM

My reading is 1127 / 1715, instead of 127?. In some official and legal documents, I came across the cases when they just wrote the last three digits. But I am not sure about this one.

The last row is:

Sahib Mustafa Aga (owner Mustafa Agha)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TVV

Dom,

Thank you very much, this is extremely helpful! I think the inscriptions are in Turkish, not Arabic. To me the date on the blade with the gold inscriptions looks like 127? instead of 137?. 137? would place it in the middle of last century, which is a bit too late, while 127? makes perfect sense.
However, by translating "I go with God's blessing" on both of these blades, you have increased the suspicion that these may have been made in the same workshop. If indeed the date on the longer yatagan is 137(1?) that would place it within 5 years of the other one. No conclusive proof yet, but getting closer.

Teodor

TVV · 31st March 2008, 09:31 PM

Zifir, tahnk you very much Sir!
I think your suggestion regarding the date makes a lot of sense. My friend will be happy with an early yatagan, but from what I have seen (and I have only seen pictures), I doubt this yatagan is 18th century.
Best regards,
Teodor

TVV · 17th July 2008, 06:48 PM

Zifir, Dom and others who can read Arabic, can you please help with the inscriptions on this yataghan?

Thank you very much in advance,

Teodor

TVV · 18th January 2009, 08:58 PM

Here is another yataghan with nice inscitpions from Bulgaria - can anyone help translate them?

Many thanks in advance,
Teodor

Dom · 21st January 2009, 01:52 PM

Hi Teo

except a date, 1288 (1871 gregorian calendar)
and a sentence; la fatha ela Ali, la Saïf ela Zulfakar
no boy than Ali, no sword than Zulfakar

not possibilty to translate the others inscriptions, from Arab to an another language,
because, it's what ever you want excepted arabic language

à +

Dom

TVV · 21st January 2009, 06:16 PM

Thank you very much Dom,

I guess the top row is most likely in Turkish.

Regards,
Teodor

31st March 2008, 08:49 PM	#2
Zifir Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	It took me some time to recognize this formula. Finally thanks to a better script I was able to read it in another post. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5889 The inscription is: Yemliha, Mekselina, Mislina, Mernuş, Debernuş, Şazenuş, Kefeştatayuş, Kıtmir These are the names of Eshab-i Keyf (Seven Sleepers) and their dog. Attached Images

17th July 2008, 06:48 PM	#5
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,602	Zifir, Dom and others who can read Arabic, can you please help with the inscriptions on this yataghan? Thank you very much in advance, Teodor Attached Images

18th January 2009, 08:58 PM	#6
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,602	Here is another yataghan with nice inscitpions from Bulgaria - can anyone help translate them? Many thanks in advance, Teodor Attached Images

21st January 2009, 01:52 PM	#7
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Hi Teo except a date, 1288 (1871 gregorian calendar) and a sentence; la fatha ela Ali, la Saïf ela Zulfakar no boy than Ali, no sword than Zulfakar not possibilty to translate the others inscriptions, from Arab to an another language, because, it's what ever you want excepted arabic language à + Dom Attached Images Last edited by Dom; 21st January 2009 at 06:14 PM.

31st March 2008, 05:24 PM	#1
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,602	Dom, Thank you very much, this is extremely helpful! I think the inscriptions are in Turkish, not Arabic. To me the date on the blade with the gold inscriptions looks like 127? instead of 137?. 137? would place it in the middle of last century, which is a bit too late, while 127? makes perfect sense. However, by translating "I go with God's blessing" on both of these blades, you have increased the suspicion that these may have been made in the same workshop. If indeed the date on the longer yatagan is 137(1?) that would place it within 5 years of the other one. No conclusive proof yet, but getting closer. Teodor

31st March 2008, 09:31 PM	#4
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,602	Zifir, tahnk you very much Sir! I think your suggestion regarding the date makes a lot of sense. My friend will be happy with an early yatagan, but from what I have seen (and I have only seen pictures), I doubt this yatagan is 18th century. Best regards, Teodor

21st January 2009, 06:16 PM	#8
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,602	Thank you very much Dom, I guess the top row is most likely in Turkish. Regards, Teodor