Borneo Parang Nabur or Visayan Bolo? - Page 3

Dajak · 22nd November 2006, 06:18 PM

Hi Michael take a look in the book ling rothpage 135

VVV · 22nd November 2006, 06:32 PM

Yes, that's the quote I posted before and the source of Stone???

It's obviously an alternative spelling of the Iban parang aka Niabor, Njabor or Nyabor.
The genuine and old war sword of the Sea-Dayak (see Shelford etc.).
Maybe you could share a picture of it for this thread as a reference because, as you know, I don't have one myself yet?

Michael

Dajak · 22nd November 2006, 07:43 PM

http://old.blades.free.fr/swords/day...ayak_intro.htm

Over here you can look at the parang niabor I think they make an langueage
mistake

Here they talk about parang pedang but is an parang nabur but look it proves that the dayaks also used it

VVV · 22nd November 2006, 07:58 PM

Yes,

In a way it's another language semi-mistake.
This is once again the Iban (parang) Pedang.
Described as having cross guard, not D-guard, and hollow at the hilt etc.
It seems that because Ling Roth puts parang in front of all the names earlier known from other sources it get's confusing.

Can we agree that it's all based on a misunderstanding by Stone, because of what Ling Roth wrote and that Ling Roth didn't show pictures of the swords he describes?

Michael

Dajak · 22nd November 2006, 08:39 PM

Hi Michael yes the problem is that if someone make s a mistake it will show
up in the later books The weapon as he discribes is an parang niabor with the rings and handle
and you can also hold it with 2 hands

Henry ling roth is talking german handle swords this could be the nabur

the parang pedang is an borneo sword and not an pirate sword

The problem with the pirates is that they not easy to talk with and the moment you see them you sail away or you never can tell what happend

And that we don t have pics people carrying them ling roth discribe the parang pandat as an seadayak sword and this could be true because landdayak have an different type

Ben

VVV · 22nd November 2006, 10:05 PM

Hi Ben,

It seems as if you agree that the Parang Nabur as described in Stone is wrong?
He misunderstood Ling Roth's description of the Sea Dayak (parang) Niabor and put the "corrupted" name on another kind of sword from another region of Borneo?

Michael

Dajak · 23rd November 2006, 08:47 AM

Hi Michael yes he discribes the sword that I show the pics off we now that one as piso podang with the bataks see the pics

The parang pedang is an total different sword you have 2 by yourself
the one I have date before 1820 and one that you have too

Ben

Bill M · 25th November 2006, 03:41 AM

PI? Borneo?

Michael, we are a bit alike.....

Bill M · 25th November 2006, 03:47 AM

Parang Nabur?

VVV · 25th November 2006, 01:05 PM

Hi Bill,

Nice swords. I think you will find all the views of the forumites in this thread to form your own opinion on this debated issue.

Michael

BSMStar · 29th November 2006, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Parang Nabur?

Hi Bill,

Great swords!!!

(Let me know if you get tired of them)

If these blades come from the PI (which I am inclined to believe they do), it seems that we can not come to a consensus on a name. I am not sure that we have agreed that they come from the PI.

If you look around a bit… rightly or wrongly, this sword “type”… in fact these very swords are universally referred to as being a Parang Nabur. It would seem to me, that no matter what we decide here, the label of Parang Nabur will still be out there for some time to come… even if a more correct name is found and applied.

Best regards,

Wayne

comiso90 · 2nd March 2008, 10:54 PM

Hey there..

It seems I have a sword very much like this... This is the first time in 30 years I've seen a photo of another.
Can anybody give me idea how much it would sell for?

I wish I had the scabbard!

thanks!

comiso90 · 4th March 2008, 05:27 AM

I was very happy to find this thread.. it looks like I have somthing similiar.

where can I get more information?

How old?
uses? Ceremonial?
worth?

thanks

Bill M · 4th March 2008, 08:56 PM

Comiso90,

Forum rules do not allow us to ask prices on this Forum. Since you are new, it will be forgiven and understood.

Tried to PM you with some info, but you are not enabled to receive. Suggest that you privately email or PM people who have swords like this for more information.

Mark · 4th March 2008, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Comiso90,

Forum rules do not allow us to ask prices on this Forum. Since you are new, it will be forgiven and understood.

Tried to PM you with some info, but you are not enabled to receive. Suggest that you privately email or PM people who have swords like this for more information.

Indeed, no great sin to have asked, as the established members know just to not answer, but please read the posting rules and guidelines at the top of the forum.

Mark
Vikingsword Staff

comiso90 · 4th March 2008, 10:21 PM

sorry... didnt realize..

I'm just happy to find people that recognize it!

Daniel Hdz · 17th March 2008, 11:08 AM

Erik Farrow lead me to this site so I could get more info and replies from some experts in this field. Pictures of my fathers sword are attached. Comments and contact will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Dan.

Daniel Hdz · 18th March 2008, 12:38 AM

Erik Farrow advised me on this sword that my dad has had since the early 60's. He says it has been incorrectly labeled as being from Sea Dayak. He also lead me to this site so I could get some comments from the experts. Any info. you can share with me is very much appreciated. I nor my dad are big collectors, however he was given this sword by an employer when he was very young and he's had it displayed on our wall at home. Also I'm not sure if I have been adding the photos correctly. Can anyone help?

Thank you,
Dan

Daniel Hdz · 18th March 2008, 12:46 AM

Here are a few more.

VVV · 19th March 2008, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Hdz

Erik Farrow advised me on this sword that my dad has had since the early 60's. He says it has been incorrectly labeled as being from Sea Dayak. He also lead me to this site so I could get some comments from the experts. Any info. you can share with me is very much appreciated. I nor my dad are big collectors, however he was given this sword by an employer when he was very young and he's had it displayed on our wall at home. Also I'm not sure if I have been adding the photos correctly. Can anyone help?

Thank you,
Dan

Hello Dan,

Yours is a very nice variation of the same Luzon swords as in this thread.
You can find all the information we have on it at the moment here and also in this thread.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...?t=1792&page=3

If you ever get tired of it...

Michael

Daniel Hdz · 19th March 2008, 10:48 PM

What's the best and safest way to clean this beauty.

xasterix · 14th November 2018, 02:59 PM

Hi. Apologies for necro-ing this old thread, but the swords in question are variations of the Minasbad, a blade made in the Bicol region of Luzon, Philippines. It's the supposed weapon of the Cimarrones, a tribe that lived in the highlands and which were renowned for their fighting prowess.

Bill M · 14th November 2018, 03:26 PM

Thank you for reviving this post. I will join you on Facebook

Battara · 14th November 2018, 05:23 PM

Thanks. In other posts we have already established the information you mentioned. So it is great that you also corroborate this as well.

xasterix · 14th November 2018, 06:03 PM

My apologies for my unintended slur in the forum rules. Suffice to say, if anyone wants a knowledge resource for Minasbads, a good person to ask would be Prof. Jason Chancoco, a University professor in the Philippines who has devoted his life to reviving the antique Minasbad and other Bicol blade designs and tracing the vanished Cimarrones tribe. He would willingly share knowledge based on his thorough research with old traditional smiths in the region.

ShazamsLaw · 15th November 2018, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xasterix

My apologies for my unintended slur in the forum rules. Suffice to say, if anyone wants a knowledge resource for Minasbads, a good person to ask would be Prof. Jason Chancoco, a University professor in the Philippines who has devoted his life to reviving the antique Minasbad and other Bicol blade designs and tracing the vanished Cimarrones tribe. He would willingly share knowledge based on his thorough research with old traditional smiths in the region.

Would you happen to know anyone or any sources on Visayan kampilans or longswords that were used by them? Long blades are known to be associated with muslims or moros only but I find it hard to believe that their neighbors were never able to learn and adapt to bigger swords unless they were mentally incapable of doing so.

22nd November 2006, 06:18 PM	#61
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael take a look in the book ling rothpage 135 Attached Images

22nd November 2006, 07:43 PM	#63
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	http://old.blades.free.fr/swords/day...ayak_intro.htm Over here you can look at the parang niabor I think they make an langueage mistake Here they talk about parang pedang but is an parang nabur but look it proves that the dayaks also used it Attached Images

25th November 2006, 03:41 AM	#68
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	So where do we decide this comes from? PI? Borneo? Michael, we are a bit alike..... Attached Images

25th November 2006, 03:47 AM	#69
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	And this one also? Parang Nabur? Attached Images

2nd March 2008, 10:54 PM	#72
comiso90 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3	Hey there.. It seems I have a sword very much like this... This is the first time in 30 years I've seen a photo of another. Can anybody give me idea how much it would sell for? I wish I had the scabbard! thanks! Attached Images

22nd November 2006, 06:32 PM	#62
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Yes, that's the quote I posted before and the source of Stone??? It's obviously an alternative spelling of the Iban parang aka Niabor, Njabor or Nyabor. The genuine and old war sword of the Sea-Dayak (see Shelford etc.). Maybe you could share a picture of it for this thread as a reference because, as you know, I don't have one myself yet? Michael

22nd November 2006, 07:58 PM	#64
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Yes, In a way it's another language semi-mistake. This is once again the Iban (parang) Pedang. Described as having cross guard, not D-guard, and hollow at the hilt etc. It seems that because Ling Roth puts parang in front of all the names earlier known from other sources it get's confusing. Can we agree that it's all based on a misunderstanding by Stone, because of what Ling Roth wrote and that Ling Roth didn't show pictures of the swords he describes? Michael

22nd November 2006, 08:39 PM	#65
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael yes the problem is that if someone make s a mistake it will show up in the later books The weapon as he discribes is an parang niabor with the rings and handle and you can also hold it with 2 hands Henry ling roth is talking german handle swords this could be the nabur the parang pedang is an borneo sword and not an pirate sword The problem with the pirates is that they not easy to talk with and the moment you see them you sail away or you never can tell what happend And that we don t have pics people carrying them ling roth discribe the parang pandat as an seadayak sword and this could be true because landdayak have an different type Ben

22nd November 2006, 10:05 PM	#66
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Ben, It seems as if you agree that the Parang Nabur as described in Stone is wrong? He misunderstood Ling Roth's description of the Sea Dayak (parang) Niabor and put the "corrupted" name on another kind of sword from another region of Borneo? Michael

23rd November 2006, 08:47 AM	#67
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	Hi Michael yes he discribes the sword that I show the pics off we now that one as piso podang with the bataks see the pics The parang pedang is an total different sword you have 2 by yourself the one I have date before 1820 and one that you have too Ben

25th November 2006, 01:05 PM	#70
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Hi Bill, Nice swords. I think you will find all the views of the forumites in this thread to form your own opinion on this debated issue. Michael

4th March 2008, 05:27 AM	#73
comiso90 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3	I was very happy to find this thread.. it looks like I have somthing similiar. where can I get more information? How old? uses? Ceremonial? worth? thanks Attached Images

4th March 2008, 08:56 PM	#74
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Comiso90, Forum rules do not allow us to ask prices on this Forum. Since you are new, it will be forgiven and understood. Tried to PM you with some info, but you are not enabled to receive. Suggest that you privately email or PM people who have swords like this for more information.

4th March 2008, 10:21 PM	#76
comiso90 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3	sorry... didnt realize.. I'm just happy to find people that recognize it!

17th March 2008, 11:08 AM	#77
Daniel Hdz Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4	Nabor or Visayan Bolo Erik Farrow lead me to this site so I could get more info and replies from some experts in this field. Pictures of my fathers sword are attached. Comments and contact will be appreciated. Thanks, Dan. Attached Images

18th March 2008, 12:38 AM	#78
Daniel Hdz Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4	Philippine sword... Erik Farrow advised me on this sword that my dad has had since the early 60's. He says it has been incorrectly labeled as being from Sea Dayak. He also lead me to this site so I could get some comments from the experts. Any info. you can share with me is very much appreciated. I nor my dad are big collectors, however he was given this sword by an employer when he was very young and he's had it displayed on our wall at home. Also I'm not sure if I have been adding the photos correctly. Can anyone help? Thank you, Dan Attached Images

18th March 2008, 12:46 AM	#79
Daniel Hdz Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4	Seems as though I could attach photos. Here are a few more. Attached Images

19th March 2008, 10:48 PM	#81
Daniel Hdz Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4	Thanks. What's the best and safest way to clean this beauty.

14th November 2018, 02:59 PM	#82
xasterix Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 703	Hi. Apologies for necro-ing this old thread, but the swords in question are variations of the Minasbad, a blade made in the Bicol region of Luzon, Philippines. It's the supposed weapon of the Cimarrones, a tribe that lived in the highlands and which were renowned for their fighting prowess. Last edited by Robert; 14th November 2018 at 05:26 PM. Reason: This is not a sales platform. Posting information on sales sites is against forum policy.

14th November 2018, 03:26 PM	#83
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Thank you for reviving this post. I will join you on Facebook

14th November 2018, 05:23 PM	#84
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	Thanks. In other posts we have already established the information you mentioned. So it is great that you also corroborate this as well.

14th November 2018, 06:03 PM	#85
xasterix Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 703	My apologies for my unintended slur in the forum rules. Suffice to say, if anyone wants a knowledge resource for Minasbads, a good person to ask would be Prof. Jason Chancoco, a University professor in the Philippines who has devoted his life to reviving the antique Minasbad and other Bicol blade designs and tracing the vanished Cimarrones tribe. He would willingly share knowledge based on his thorough research with old traditional smiths in the region.