Tribal dart quiver

Albert · 21st February 2008, 09:20 PM

The picture that Vandoo posted of the natives of Makassar, is very interesting. Not only for its age or because of the blowguns, but also for the hilt of the short sword one of them carries. It is a type I do not know, and it seems to resemble the hilts from the Batak on Sumatra. I am very curious about the source of the picture! Can you help?

VANDOO · 22nd February 2008, 02:22 AM

THE PICTURE WAS A PAGE FROM A OLD BOOK OFFERED FOR SALE ON EBAY MANY BOOKS ARE BEING TORN UP AND THE PLATES BEING SOLD ON EBAY FOR MORE THAN YOU CAN GET SELLING THE ENTIRE BOOKS. THAT IS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN ON EBAY SO I DON'T KNOW WHO DID THE DRAWING PERHAPS SOMEONE FRAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY OF THE AREA AT THAT TIME PERIOD COULD GUESS WHAT EUROPEAN COUNTRY WAS INVOLVED THERE AT THE TIME.

I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IN THE PICTURE IS THE DART CASE IN THE FRONT OF THE BELT OF THE CENTER WARRIOR. WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE HANDLE OF A KNIFE IS ACTUALLY THE ENDS OF SEVERAL DARTS WITH PITH OR FIBER ON THEM, READY TO GRAB AND LOAD AND SHOOT. I WONDER IF THE DRAWING IS ACURATE FOR THE SHAPE OF THE DART CASES OR IF THEY WERE THE ROUND BAMBOO ONES WHICH ARE USUALLY FOUND. PERHAPS A QUIVER OF THAT SHAPE WILL SHOW UP?.

Albert · 22nd February 2008, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

THE PICTURE WAS A PAGE FROM A OLD BOOK OFFERED FOR SALE ON EBAY MANY BOOKS ARE BEING TORN UP AND THE PLATES BEING SOLD ON EBAY FOR MORE THAN YOU CAN GET SELLING THE ENTIRE BOOKS. THAT IS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN ON EBAY SO I DON'T KNOW WHO DID THE DRAWING PERHAPS SOMEONE FRAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY OF THE AREA AT THAT TIME PERIOD COULD GUESS WHAT EUROPEAN COUNTRY WAS INVOLVED THERE AT THE TIME.

I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IN THE PICTURE IS THE DART CASE IN THE FRONT OF THE BELT OF THE CENTER WARRIOR. WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE HANDLE OF A KNIFE IS ACTUALLY THE ENDS OF SEVERAL DARTS WITH PITH OR FIBER ON THEM, READY TO GRAB AND LOAD AND SHOOT. I WONDER IF THE DRAWING IS ACURATE FOR THE SHAPE OF THE DART CASES OR IF THEY WERE THE ROUND BAMBOO ONES WHICH ARE USUALLY FOUND. PERHAPS A QUIVER OF THAT SHAPE WILL SHOW UP?.

Now I see, it indeed is a quiver with darts. Never seen this shape before!
It is a pity that destroying books (and in the process losing the provenace) generates more money than selling the complete one.

asomotif · 3rd March 2008, 11:55 AM

A small group of borneo quivers and other bamboo containers.
Jus a 'little bit' out of focus

kai · 3rd March 2008, 11:16 PM

Hello Albert,

Quote:

The picture that Vandoo posted of the natives of Makassar, is very interesting. Not only for its age or because of the blowguns, but also for the hilt of the short sword one of them carries.

I'm missing something: A sword hilt figured on the old print with the 3 native blow-gunners? Help!

Regards,
Kai

Albert · 6th March 2008, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Albert,

I'm missing something: A sword hilt figured on the old print with the 3 native blow-gunners? Help!

Regards,
Kai

Hello Kai,

My mistake, the 'sword hilt' appears to be a bundle of blow-darts butts.

Albert

Sajen · 15th July 2009, 03:53 PM

Hello,

I hope it's ok that I reactivate this threat again. Today I received my last e-bay buy, a "Tolor" from Palawan. Since I have a nice Tolor from Dayak-tribe I want to share both with you and show the differents between both.
If the different size is typical is difficult to say by only two items for compare.
The Dayak quiver is 29 cm and the one from Palawan is 49 cm long. But the belt hook seems for both typical when you look to the other shown quiver before. The same is it with the rattan bindings like Dayak note before. Very different look the darts.
Here at first both quiver side by side.

Sajen · 15th July 2009, 03:58 PM

Here some close ups from the Dayak quiver.

Sajen · 15th July 2009, 04:03 PM

And here close ups from the quiver from Palawan.

Sajen · 15th July 2009, 04:09 PM

Here the two darts for comparison. It seems that the Dayak darts get their poison some time before while the Palawan dart is without poison what let me guess that the darts get the poison just before hunting. But this is only a guess.
The Dayak dart is on the left hand.

Cerjak · 7th May 2018, 09:24 AM

Hi Sagen
very nice QuiverS ,specially the short one.
I did not seen your post before to start my thread.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23902

I can see that that you have a set of tolls do you have any needle like the two I have in my set ?
Best

Cerjak

JeffS · 14th July 2022, 04:31 AM

I collected this a few weeks ago from a panday (Brooke's Point Palawano) in a mountain village in southern Palawan. The blowgun itself was too long to practically carry so I couldn't bring it. The design was a plain length (>2m) of bamboo with ~20cm of black resin coating the tip. The quiver wood hook is bound to the bamboo with heavy fishing line and the rope attaching the lid to the body is nylon. He quickly demonstrated cutting a dart plug from the soft balsa-like wood. These are still commonly used in the more remote villages.

JeffS · 14th July 2022, 04:34 AM

I forgot the last picture

3rd March 2008, 11:55 AM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	A small group of borneo quivers and other bamboo containers. Jus a 'little bit' out of focus Attached Images

15th July 2009, 03:53 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Hello, I hope it's ok that I reactivate this threat again. Today I received my last e-bay buy, a "Tolor" from Palawan. Since I have a nice Tolor from Dayak-tribe I want to share both with you and show the differents between both. If the different size is typical is difficult to say by only two items for compare. The Dayak quiver is 29 cm and the one from Palawan is 49 cm long. But the belt hook seems for both typical when you look to the other shown quiver before. The same is it with the rattan bindings like Dayak note before. Very different look the darts. Here at first both quiver side by side. Attached Images

15th July 2009, 03:58 PM	#8
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Here some close ups from the Dayak quiver. Attached Images

15th July 2009, 04:03 PM	#9
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	And here close ups from the quiver from Palawan. Attached Images

15th July 2009, 04:09 PM	#10
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,165	Here the two darts for comparison. It seems that the Dayak darts get their poison some time before while the Palawan dart is without poison what let me guess that the darts get the poison just before hunting. But this is only a guess. The Dayak dart is on the left hand. Attached Images

21st February 2008, 09:20 PM	#1
Albert Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 200	The picture that Vandoo posted of the natives of Makassar, is very interesting. Not only for its age or because of the blowguns, but also for the hilt of the short sword one of them carries. It is a type I do not know, and it seems to resemble the hilts from the Batak on Sumatra. I am very curious about the source of the picture! Can you help?

22nd February 2008, 02:22 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE PICTURE WAS A PAGE FROM A OLD BOOK OFFERED FOR SALE ON EBAY MANY BOOKS ARE BEING TORN UP AND THE PLATES BEING SOLD ON EBAY FOR MORE THAN YOU CAN GET SELLING THE ENTIRE BOOKS. THAT IS ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GIVEN ON EBAY SO I DON'T KNOW WHO DID THE DRAWING PERHAPS SOMEONE FRAMILIAR WITH THE HISTORY OF THE AREA AT THAT TIME PERIOD COULD GUESS WHAT EUROPEAN COUNTRY WAS INVOLVED THERE AT THE TIME. I THINK WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IN THE PICTURE IS THE DART CASE IN THE FRONT OF THE BELT OF THE CENTER WARRIOR. WHAT APPEARS TO BE THE HANDLE OF A KNIFE IS ACTUALLY THE ENDS OF SEVERAL DARTS WITH PITH OR FIBER ON THEM, READY TO GRAB AND LOAD AND SHOOT. I WONDER IF THE DRAWING IS ACURATE FOR THE SHAPE OF THE DART CASES OR IF THEY WERE THE ROUND BAMBOO ONES WHICH ARE USUALLY FOUND. PERHAPS A QUIVER OF THAT SHAPE WILL SHOW UP?.

7th May 2018, 09:24 AM	#11
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Hi Sagen very nice QuiverS ,specially the short one. I did not seen your post before to start my thread. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23902 I can see that that you have a set of tolls do you have any needle like the two I have in my set ? Best Cerjak

14th July 2022, 04:31 AM	#12
JeffS Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 423	I collected this a few weeks ago from a panday (Brooke's Point Palawano) in a mountain village in southern Palawan. The blowgun itself was too long to practically carry so I couldn't bring it. The design was a plain length (>2m) of bamboo with ~20cm of black resin coating the tip. The quiver wood hook is bound to the bamboo with heavy fishing line and the rope attaching the lid to the body is nylon. He quickly demonstrated cutting a dart plug from the soft balsa-like wood. These are still commonly used in the more remote villages. Attached Images

14th July 2022, 04:34 AM	#13
JeffS Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 423	I forgot the last picture Attached Images