Patrem keris for comment

Lew · 20th January 2008, 03:06 AM

Just wanted too post an updated photo.

Lew

David · 20th January 2008, 03:29 AM

The pendokok still looks a wee bit too large, but i would imagine that it would be really hard to get a good fit with such a small keris unless you had one custom made.
All in all it looks like a nice little patrem. I am still assuming it is a peninsula patrem and it's the first i've seen from that area. Anyone else have one from there to show?

PenangsangII · 21st January 2008, 04:56 AM

Yes, it looks very much Peninsula (northern) or Pattani patrem. Blade looks like pandai saras type, not sure about the pamor though.....

David · 21st January 2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PenangsangII

Yes, it looks very much Peninsula (northern) or Pattani patrem. Blade looks like pandai saras type, not sure about the pamor though.....

I don't think it has a pamor which would not be unusal for that area.

Alam Shah · 22nd January 2008, 04:16 AM

Lew, sorry to see a gap for the pendokok...

Based on the carving style and blade material, the ensemble could probably be a souvenir piece from the northern peninsular, no pamor. Blade probably formed from a single piece of metal, without hardening. Lovely greneng and sheath, though.

Lew · 22nd January 2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Lew, sorry to see a gap for the pendokok...

Based on the carving style and blade material, the ensemble could probably be a souvenir piece from the northern peninsular, no pamor. Blade probably formed from a single piece of metal, without hardening. Lovely greneng and sheath, though.

Hi Alam Shah

Correct me if I am wrong but I have several patrems in my collection and one or two old ones have no pamor and are of one piece construction. As you noted the greneng work is very well done so why go through all that work for a souvenir piece? Most if not all tourist keris I have seen are of very poor quality when compared to this one.

Lew

David · 22nd January 2008, 05:53 PM

I tend to agree with Lew on this one. Lew, is the sheath definitely made for this keris? Does it fit perfectly? It seems equally well crafted as the blade and would seem a nicely made tourist ensemble, especially if the dress is original. What material is the white piece on the sheath? Is it bone or ivory?
It would seem to me that most keris from the northern peninsula tend towards being pamorless, so i don't think that is an indication of anything.

Is it just that patrems are unknown on the peninsula?

20th January 2008, 03:06 AM	#1
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Just wanted too post an updated photo. Lew Attached Images

20th January 2008, 03:29 AM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,220	The pendokok still looks a wee bit too large, but i would imagine that it would be really hard to get a good fit with such a small keris unless you had one custom made. All in all it looks like a nice little patrem. I am still assuming it is a peninsula patrem and it's the first i've seen from that area. Anyone else have one from there to show?

21st January 2008, 04:56 AM	#3
PenangsangII Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 401	Yes, it looks very much Peninsula (northern) or Pattani patrem. Blade looks like pandai saras type, not sure about the pamor though.....

22nd January 2008, 04:16 AM	#5
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Lew, sorry to see a gap for the pendokok... Based on the carving style and blade material, the ensemble could probably be a souvenir piece from the northern peninsular, no pamor. Blade probably formed from a single piece of metal, without hardening. Lovely greneng and sheath, though.

22nd January 2008, 05:53 PM	#7
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,220	I tend to agree with Lew on this one. Lew, is the sheath definitely made for this keris? Does it fit perfectly? It seems equally well crafted as the blade and would seem a nicely made tourist ensemble, especially if the dress is original. What material is the white piece on the sheath? Is it bone or ivory? It would seem to me that most keris from the northern peninsula tend towards being pamorless, so i don't think that is an indication of anything. Is it just that patrems are unknown on the peninsula?