Pesh Kabz

Battara · 6th January 2008, 07:34 PM

Could be, although the dagger itself is Northern India, Mughal.

Jens Nordlunde · 7th January 2008, 06:31 PM

Alex,
Its a very nice pesh you have found, please give us a sharp close up of the inlay close to tha hilt. You have a scabbard - while I don't

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Jens

ALEX · 7th January 2008, 07:51 PM

Jens,
Apart from scabbard, I think yours is better

Here are the closeups, hope they're good. Any similarities to yours???
THANKS!

Jens Nordlunde · 7th January 2008, 09:41 PM

Alex,

I have compared the two images from your and mine (in a special programe), of the decoration, and I find them rather alike, mine have birds and yours does not, but what surprises me a lot is the gold ‘cartouche’, which on both dagger seem to be rather blurred, and if I guess right, there will be a faint writing in yours, as it is in mine. Thank you for the pictures.

Jens

ALEX · 7th January 2008, 11:05 PM

Jens, no writing on mine.
As I mentioned earlier, yours is better:-)
Thanks for checking.

Jim McDougall · 9th January 2008, 03:18 AM

Isn't the 'calyx' at the back of the blade indicative of Central Asian edged weapons such as Uzbek, Turkmen and Afghan? It seems it appears on Khyber knives and I've seen it on Turkmen shamshirs.

ALEX · 9th January 2008, 09:40 AM

Jim, what do you mean by 'calyx'. Good point by the way; I thought of Central Asian origin, because of scabbard, but all reference to this particular form of Pesh (excluding scabbard) point to India.

ariel · 9th January 2008, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Isn't the 'calyx' at the back of the blade indicative of Central Asian edged weapons such as Uzbek, Turkmen and Afghan? It seems it appears on Khyber knives and I've seen it on Turkmen shamshirs.

I also notice 5 rivets on the handle:2x1x2.
We have discussed it before, and the official opinionis that C. Asian weapons had 5 VERY WIDE rivets.
However, all Khybers and Chooras I saw ( Afghani, of course!) had mostly 3, max. 4 rivets, and all C. Asian ones I have and saw had 5 of whatever size.
I second the C. Asian origin of this one.

7th January 2008, 06:31 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Alex, Its a very nice pesh you have found, please give us a sharp close up of the inlay close to tha hilt. You have a scabbard - while I don't. Jens

7th January 2008, 07:51 PM	#3
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Jens, Apart from scabbard, I think yours is better Here are the closeups, hope they're good. Any similarities to yours??? THANKS! Attached Images

6th January 2008, 07:34 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Could be, although the dagger itself is Northern India, Mughal.

7th January 2008, 09:41 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Alex, I have compared the two images from your and mine (in a special programe), of the decoration, and I find them rather alike, mine have birds and yours does not, but what surprises me a lot is the gold ‘cartouche’, which on both dagger seem to be rather blurred, and if I guess right, there will be a faint writing in yours, as it is in mine. Thank you for the pictures. Jens

7th January 2008, 11:05 PM	#5
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Jens, no writing on mine. As I mentioned earlier, yours is better:-) Thanks for checking.

9th January 2008, 03:18 AM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,474	Isn't the 'calyx' at the back of the blade indicative of Central Asian edged weapons such as Uzbek, Turkmen and Afghan? It seems it appears on Khyber knives and I've seen it on Turkmen shamshirs.

9th January 2008, 09:40 AM	#7
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Jim, what do you mean by 'calyx'. Good point by the way; I thought of Central Asian origin, because of scabbard, but all reference to this particular form of Pesh (excluding scabbard) point to India.