Keeping a keris for protection

Pusaka · 31st December 2007, 12:31 PM

Personally I dont burn Incense for any of my keris. I do oil them though and I dont like using any oil which may contain mineral or petroleum products.

In all cultures the burning of incense and offering of food is used to attract spirits. Actually its not the smell but the vibration which is setup in the local atmosphere that attracts such things. according to what you use you will setup a different vibration. Bad spirits are attracted to blood and the fume it gives off. Some keris have used blood in their preparation and they as a result would harbor bad spirits. Think of it like this, if your garden was full of flowers it will attract bees and butterfly's but if you had a dead animal in your garden the sent would attract flys.

David · 31st December 2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pusaka

Personally I dont burn Incense for any of my keris. I do oil them though and I dont like using any oil which may contain mineral or petroleum products.

In all cultures the burning of incense and offering of food is used to attract spirits. Actually its not the smell but the vibration which is setup in the local atmosphere that attracts such things. according to what you use you will setup a different vibration. Bad spirits are attracted to blood and the fume it gives off. Some keris have used blood in their preparation and they as a result would harbor bad spirits. Think of it like this, if your garden was full of flowers it will attract bees and butterfly's but if you had a dead animal in your garden the sent would attract flys.

I am not too sure how this discussion fits in with keris since AFAIK blood sacrifice is not a common way to honor one's keris. However, since you have seen fit to speak of what "all cultures" do i think you will find that your view that blood will attract only bad spirits is not true to all cultures. It certainly isn't true in African and African diaspora cultures.
And that dead animal in your garden will only fertilize the soil and allow more flowers to grow.

It's all a matter of perspective.

Pusaka · 31st December 2007, 05:34 PM

I found the following statement athttp://www.cimande.com/writings/keris/keris2.htm

"In Indonesia, it was and is customary to feed such a keris, at least once a week, usually on a Saturday. The feeding can consist of applying a special oil to the blade, which is made from water growing plants and then passing the blade over a special incense, allowing the smoke to encompass the blade. This incense resembles Gum Myrrh and is a resinous tree sap material called Mignon. First to start the operation the keris is asked if it may be opened (usually done if the blade is being used for a noncombat application) by saying a suitable word, such as maaf, which means, may I? If the blade glides open easily it is appropriate to continue the operation. If not then the reason must be found and it is not auspicious to try and force the issue at that time."

I would like to ask members here if they have any information on this keris oil which is made from water growing plants. I have never heard of it personally until I read the above statement.

A. G. Maisey · 1st January 2008, 09:19 PM

The very few people whom I have known to engage in using incense on a keris have done this on Thursday evening.

The incense used is menyan (kemenyan), which is from gum benzoin, from the styrax tree.

It is used by placing a small lump on top of coals in a small charcoal brazier made of terracotta.

pakana · 2nd January 2008, 07:38 AM

[QUOTE=A. G. Maisey]The very few people whom I have known to engage in using incense on a keris have done this on Thursday evening.

This is because Kamis Kliwon is considered to be a day for the spirits. And it is always Thursday (once a month though)

George

A. G. Maisey · 2nd January 2008, 07:46 AM

Original post deleted because upon reflection I considered it to be non-productive.

Pusaka · 2nd January 2008, 02:23 PM

I'm just thinking about this oil which is made with water growing plants, the only thing that comes to mind is perhaps lotus oil. I have actually used lotus oil on some of my keris. I cant think of any other aquatic plants from which oil is made.

pakana · 3rd January 2008, 12:11 PM

[This is because Kamis Kliwon is considered to be a day for the spirits. And it is always Thursday (once a month though)

George[/QUOTE]

Actually, today is Kamis Kliwon if anyone is interested to feed his/her "little friends".

David · 3rd January 2008, 12:14 PM

Thanks for the heads up George.

PenangsangII · 2nd January 2008, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by David

I am not too sure how this discussion fits in with keris since AFAIK blood sacrifice is not a common way to honor one's keris. However, since you have seen fit to speak of what "all cultures" do i think you will find that your view that blood will attract only bad spirits is not true to all cultures. It certainly isn't true in African and African diaspora cultures.
And that dead animal in your garden will only fertilize the soil and allow more flowers to grow.

It's all a matter of perspective.

Bugis keris culture has this ritual called "mencerak". Blood of animal (usually rooster) replaced the use of human blood (usually the keris owner's himself).

David · 2nd January 2008, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PenangsangII

Bugis keris culture has this ritual called "mencerak". Blood of animal (usually rooster) replaced the use of human blood (usually the keris owner's himself).

Is this a ritual which is meant as an offering to the keris or it's spirit or does it have some other purpose?

PenangsangII · 4th January 2008, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by David

Is this a ritual which is meant as an offering to the keris or it's spirit or does it have some other purpose?

I am not sure why it must be blood, but my guru told me that this ritual is supposed to boost the keris owners spirit in the face of an impending battle. Sometimes, the keris owner undergoes this ritual before running amok....to kill anyone on his path....something like juramentado that is practised by the moros.

Why blood? It's said that once you see blood all over your keris (and your body), you are no longer afraid to draw blood from virtually anybody. It's somekind of prevention from "mabuk darah" (passing out upon seeing a lot of blood

).

Pusaka · 4th January 2008, 04:48 PM

I thought the blood was an offering to the Djinn in the keris. Not all keris have Djinn but the bad ones do. This type of keris is said to get more powerful the more times the blade has tasted blood. Sure most of you have heard about the keris becoming more powerful by tasting blood. If you think about it its obvious a metal blade is not going to get stronger by being covered in blood but what's in the blade might

David · 4th January 2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pusaka

I thought the blood was an offering to the Djinn in the keris. Not all keris have Djinn but the bad ones do. This type of keris is said to get more powerful the more times the blade has tasted blood. Sure most of you have heard about the keris becoming more powerful by tasting blood. If you think about it its obvious a metal blade is not going to get stronger by being covered in blood but what's in the blade might

I have quite a few keris that have tasted blood (my own) and they have shown no sign of being inherently evil or any more powerful because of it.

Raden Usman Djogja · 4th January 2008, 05:41 PM

the existence of keris is unique in south east asian social system and believe.

the people who believe keris is an appartement of ghost/spirit tend to do an offering ritual as an obligation. Even, if not an obligation, they do more because they are afraid if the ghost/spirit inside leaving their kerises and trying to find new appartements in where full of kemenyan smoke every friday kliwon / tuesday kliwon or friday legi.

moreover, some people go beyond. for instance, even still in the same level of offering using kemenyan, there are variety of kemenyan. everyone has favorite kemenyans. more powerful ghost inside they believe, more special kemenyan they offer. Then, usually, more special kemenyan is more expensive.

competition of offering is not finished yet by offering the most expensive kemenyan.

to few people, they try to offer using fresh blood. In their believe, using blood is the ultimate offering to get the most powerful ghost/spirit from sixth world.

then, till this step, sometimes a question rises who the real master is: the owner of keris or the ghost inside keris which owning the soul of the owner. be aware

offering is an expression
expression leads awareness
awareness leads to the decision how many effort should be spent
then
the real power of protecting should still inside the people who do an offering
the keris remains merely a "medium"
even to the people who believe in ghost power
the keris master should be THE MASTER.

all mentioned above is just an opinion

OeS in Africa

2nd January 2008, 07:46 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	deleted---non-productive Original post deleted because upon reflection I considered it to be non-productive.

31st December 2007, 12:31 PM	#1
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	Personally I dont burn Incense for any of my keris. I do oil them though and I dont like using any oil which may contain mineral or petroleum products. In all cultures the burning of incense and offering of food is used to attract spirits. Actually its not the smell but the vibration which is setup in the local atmosphere that attracts such things. according to what you use you will setup a different vibration. Bad spirits are attracted to blood and the fume it gives off. Some keris have used blood in their preparation and they as a result would harbor bad spirits. Think of it like this, if your garden was full of flowers it will attract bees and butterfly's but if you had a dead animal in your garden the sent would attract flys.

31st December 2007, 05:34 PM	#3
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	I found the following statement athttp://www.cimande.com/writings/keris/keris2.htm "In Indonesia, it was and is customary to feed such a keris, at least once a week, usually on a Saturday. The feeding can consist of applying a special oil to the blade, which is made from water growing plants and then passing the blade over a special incense, allowing the smoke to encompass the blade. This incense resembles Gum Myrrh and is a resinous tree sap material called Mignon. First to start the operation the keris is asked if it may be opened (usually done if the blade is being used for a noncombat application) by saying a suitable word, such as maaf, which means, may I? If the blade glides open easily it is appropriate to continue the operation. If not then the reason must be found and it is not auspicious to try and force the issue at that time." I would like to ask members here if they have any information on this keris oil which is made from water growing plants. I have never heard of it personally until I read the above statement.

1st January 2008, 09:19 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	The very few people whom I have known to engage in using incense on a keris have done this on Thursday evening. The incense used is menyan (kemenyan), which is from gum benzoin, from the styrax tree. It is used by placing a small lump on top of coals in a small charcoal brazier made of terracotta.

2nd January 2008, 07:38 AM	#5
pakana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 74	[QUOTE=A. G. Maisey]The very few people whom I have known to engage in using incense on a keris have done this on Thursday evening. This is because Kamis Kliwon is considered to be a day for the spirits. And it is always Thursday (once a month though) George

2nd January 2008, 02:23 PM	#7
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	I'm just thinking about this oil which is made with water growing plants, the only thing that comes to mind is perhaps lotus oil. I have actually used lotus oil on some of my keris. I cant think of any other aquatic plants from which oil is made.

3rd January 2008, 12:11 PM	#8
pakana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 74	[This is because Kamis Kliwon is considered to be a day for the spirits. And it is always Thursday (once a month though) George[/QUOTE] Actually, today is Kamis Kliwon if anyone is interested to feed his/her "little friends".

3rd January 2008, 12:14 PM	#9
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,228	Thanks for the heads up George.

4th January 2008, 04:48 PM	#13
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	I thought the blood was an offering to the Djinn in the keris. Not all keris have Djinn but the bad ones do. This type of keris is said to get more powerful the more times the blade has tasted blood. Sure most of you have heard about the keris becoming more powerful by tasting blood. If you think about it its obvious a metal blade is not going to get stronger by being covered in blood but what's in the blade might

4th January 2008, 05:41 PM	#15
Raden Usman Djogja Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 199	the existence of keris is unique in south east asian social system and believe. the people who believe keris is an appartement of ghost/spirit tend to do an offering ritual as an obligation. Even, if not an obligation, they do more because they are afraid if the ghost/spirit inside leaving their kerises and trying to find new appartements in where full of kemenyan smoke every friday kliwon / tuesday kliwon or friday legi. moreover, some people go beyond. for instance, even still in the same level of offering using kemenyan, there are variety of kemenyan. everyone has favorite kemenyans. more powerful ghost inside they believe, more special kemenyan they offer. Then, usually, more special kemenyan is more expensive. competition of offering is not finished yet by offering the most expensive kemenyan. to few people, they try to offer using fresh blood. In their believe, using blood is the ultimate offering to get the most powerful ghost/spirit from sixth world. then, till this step, sometimes a question rises who the real master is: the owner of keris or the ghost inside keris which owning the soul of the owner. be aware offering is an expression expression leads awareness awareness leads to the decision how many effort should be spent then the real power of protecting should still inside the people who do an offering the keris remains merely a "medium" even to the people who believe in ghost power the keris master should be THE MASTER. all mentioned above is just an opinion OeS in Africa