They called to say that my check cleared and......

kai · 16th December 2007, 08:24 PM

Hello Albert,

A shandigan barong with sharpened backedge, pira with genuine, antique scabbard, rare tabas, and other magnificient blades - great score!

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Strange break on this piece. Tang broke and is still residing in the hilt.

Seems like it snapped fairly recently - possibly during some transport. Apparently, the tang had already an old crack through more than 2 thirds of its diameter: Sorrily, not much force needed to break it off completely...

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Anyone have any experience in having the a tang reweld. My concern would be, adding extra material to the tang and not being able to fit it thru the hole of the ganja.

The battle-tested Moro method would call for serious stock removal from the blade as well as gangya - I don't think this is really called for with such a great twist core blade. Rewelding tangs is fairly regularly done with Indonesian keris: If you're willing to temporarely remove the gangya, I believe this shouldn't pose a serious problem for an experienced bladesmith to replace the tang and refile its shape so that the gangya can be snugly reattached again. This should hold perfectly well but won't be stable enough for real use, I guess.

Regards,
Kai

kino · 17th December 2007, 01:07 PM

Thanks Kai. I'll show the broken tang to the local knife maker to see if he's
up to the job.

Bill M · 17th December 2007, 01:25 PM

Just realized I had been too busy drooling over this thread to post!!!!

Great score Albert, and a really deserving guy to get these fine pieces.

I have head that an epoxy called “JB Weld” has been successfully used in repairing metal.

I have not used this, but have friends in ancient weapon collecting who have been very pleased by the results. Of course it won’t stand up to battle standards, but it might be good enough for display and normal handling.

If it does not work, you could then try a blacksmith. I try to disturb old metal as little as possible.

http://jbweld.net/products/jbweld.php

Has anyone here used it?

kino · 18th December 2007, 04:31 AM

Thanks Bill, I will keep this in mind. I don't want to rush things. The Kris is going nowhere fast. I'm not going to be doing some test cutting with the sword either.

David · 18th December 2007, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

I have head that an epoxy called “JB Weld” has been successfully used in repairing metal.

I have not used this, but have friends in ancient weapon collecting who have been very pleased by the results. Of course it won’t stand up to battle standards, but it might be good enough for display and normal handling.

If it does not work, you could then try a blacksmith. I try to disturb old metal as little as possible.

http://jbweld.net/products/jbweld.php

Has anyone here used it?

Bill, i have used JB Weld to repair a broken gonjo and it worked just fine...but i don't think i would use it in a situation like this unless i planned never to draw the blade from the sheath again. I am not convince it would hold all that weight that well.

Battara · 21st December 2007, 07:28 PM

Albert, I bow in your presence!

VANDOO · 20th September 2008, 03:02 PM

SOMEHOW I MISSED THIS POST THE FIRST TIME AROUND , SO BELATED CONGRADULATIONS!!

IT ALWAYS WARMS THE COCKELS OF MY HEART TO SEE A COLLECTOR GET ANOTHER COLLECTORS COLLECTION INTACT.

A COLLECTION OF THIS TYPE REPRESENTS A LOT OF TIME, STUDY,WORK, MONEY AND LUCK TO PUT TOGETHER SO IT IS SORT OF LIKE A LIFES WORK. SO IT IS ESPECIALLY GOOD IF ANOTHER COLLECTOR CAN PICK IT UP AND CONTINUE TO ADD TO IT AND REFINE IT AS HIS LIFES WORK BEFORE PASSING ON THE COLLECTION FOR THE NEXT LAP OF THE RELAY.

OFTEN SUCH COLLECTIONS ARE BROKEN UP AND SOLD PIECEMEAL AND ALL THE INFORMATION AND WORK THAT WENT INTO MAKING IT IS LOST. IN THIS CASE THE COLLECTION OR AT LEAST A PART OF IT HAS REMAINED INTACT, UNFORTUNATELY ANY RECORDS ON WHERE AND WHEN THESE ITEMS WERE AQUIRED AND ANY OF THE HISTORY OF THE COLLECTOR WHO PUT IT TOGETHER IS USUALLY LOST. IF SUCH RECORDS EXHIST THEY USUALLY DON'T STAY WITH THE COLLECTION AND PROBABLY END UP IN THE DUST BIN.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM I SEE WITH REPARING THE BROKEN KRIS TANG WILL BE REMOVING THE BROKEN PIECE FROM THE HANDLE WITHOUT DAMMAGING IT. IF YOU CAN SOMEHOW HEAT IT UP AND GET AHOLD OF IT AND PULL IT OUT WITHOUT DAMMAGE AND THEN HAVE IT ATTACHED BY A PRO THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY. IF IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO REMOVE ANOTHER WAY TO FIX IT WOULD BE TO DRILL 3 SMALL HOLES IN THE BROKEN ENDS (MAKE SURE THEY LINE UP SO THE BLADE WILL FIT TOGETHER SNUG AND IN LINE. THEN PUT IN 3 PINS WITH EPOXY (CLEAN ANY EXCESS) AND LET THEM SET THEN CHECK TO MAKE SURE THE BLADE LINES UP RIGHT AND IF NOT MAKE ADJUSTMENTS BY CUTTING DOWN THE PINS OR DRILLING A BIT MORE. WHEN ALL LINES UP EPOXY THE BLADE TOGETHER AND PUT A CLAMP IF POSSIBLE TO HOLD UNTIL IT DRYS. THIS WOULD ATTACH THE TWO PIECES TOGETHER BUT WOULD BE A FRAGILE REPAIR AS THE PINS WILL BE VERY SMALL SO CARE WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN WHEN HANDELING THE ITEM IN FUTURE. I WOULD NOT USE J/B WELD AS IT IS THE COLOR OF SILVER PAINT AND CAN MAKE A MESS THAT IS DIFFICULT TO CLEAN UP OR REMOVE. THE SAFEST WAY WOULD BE TO JUST LAY IT IN A NICE PADDED CASE AND IT WOULD LOOK TO BE IN ONE PIECE SO ITS BEAUTY COULD STILL BE ENJOYED.
I ALSO BOW IN YOUR DIRECTION, YOU THE MAN

Spunjer · 6th November 2009, 01:23 PM

yo kino, have you fixed the krises yet???

17th December 2007, 01:25 PM	#3
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Just realized I had been too busy drooling over this thread to post!!!! Great score Albert, and a really deserving guy to get these fine pieces. I have head that an epoxy called “JB Weld” has been successfully used in repairing metal. I have not used this, but have friends in ancient weapon collecting who have been very pleased by the results. Of course it won’t stand up to battle standards, but it might be good enough for display and normal handling. If it does not work, you could then try a blacksmith. I try to disturb old metal as little as possible. http://jbweld.net/products/jbweld.php Has anyone here used it? Last edited by Bill Marsh; 17th December 2007 at 01:37 PM.

17th December 2007, 01:07 PM	#2
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,020	Thanks Kai. I'll show the broken tang to the local knife maker to see if he's up to the job.

18th December 2007, 04:31 AM	#4
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,020	Thanks Bill, I will keep this in mind. I don't want to rush things. The Kris is going nowhere fast. I'm not going to be doing some test cutting with the sword either.

21st December 2007, 07:28 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Albert, I bow in your presence!

20th September 2008, 03:02 PM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	SOMEHOW I MISSED THIS POST THE FIRST TIME AROUND , SO BELATED CONGRADULATIONS!! IT ALWAYS WARMS THE COCKELS OF MY HEART TO SEE A COLLECTOR GET ANOTHER COLLECTORS COLLECTION INTACT. A COLLECTION OF THIS TYPE REPRESENTS A LOT OF TIME, STUDY,WORK, MONEY AND LUCK TO PUT TOGETHER SO IT IS SORT OF LIKE A LIFES WORK. SO IT IS ESPECIALLY GOOD IF ANOTHER COLLECTOR CAN PICK IT UP AND CONTINUE TO ADD TO IT AND REFINE IT AS HIS LIFES WORK BEFORE PASSING ON THE COLLECTION FOR THE NEXT LAP OF THE RELAY. OFTEN SUCH COLLECTIONS ARE BROKEN UP AND SOLD PIECEMEAL AND ALL THE INFORMATION AND WORK THAT WENT INTO MAKING IT IS LOST. IN THIS CASE THE COLLECTION OR AT LEAST A PART OF IT HAS REMAINED INTACT, UNFORTUNATELY ANY RECORDS ON WHERE AND WHEN THESE ITEMS WERE AQUIRED AND ANY OF THE HISTORY OF THE COLLECTOR WHO PUT IT TOGETHER IS USUALLY LOST. IF SUCH RECORDS EXHIST THEY USUALLY DON'T STAY WITH THE COLLECTION AND PROBABLY END UP IN THE DUST BIN. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM I SEE WITH REPARING THE BROKEN KRIS TANG WILL BE REMOVING THE BROKEN PIECE FROM THE HANDLE WITHOUT DAMMAGING IT. IF YOU CAN SOMEHOW HEAT IT UP AND GET AHOLD OF IT AND PULL IT OUT WITHOUT DAMMAGE AND THEN HAVE IT ATTACHED BY A PRO THAT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY. IF IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO REMOVE ANOTHER WAY TO FIX IT WOULD BE TO DRILL 3 SMALL HOLES IN THE BROKEN ENDS (MAKE SURE THEY LINE UP SO THE BLADE WILL FIT TOGETHER SNUG AND IN LINE. THEN PUT IN 3 PINS WITH EPOXY (CLEAN ANY EXCESS) AND LET THEM SET THEN CHECK TO MAKE SURE THE BLADE LINES UP RIGHT AND IF NOT MAKE ADJUSTMENTS BY CUTTING DOWN THE PINS OR DRILLING A BIT MORE. WHEN ALL LINES UP EPOXY THE BLADE TOGETHER AND PUT A CLAMP IF POSSIBLE TO HOLD UNTIL IT DRYS. THIS WOULD ATTACH THE TWO PIECES TOGETHER BUT WOULD BE A FRAGILE REPAIR AS THE PINS WILL BE VERY SMALL SO CARE WOULD HAVE TO BE TAKEN WHEN HANDELING THE ITEM IN FUTURE. I WOULD NOT USE J/B WELD AS IT IS THE COLOR OF SILVER PAINT AND CAN MAKE A MESS THAT IS DIFFICULT TO CLEAN UP OR REMOVE. THE SAFEST WAY WOULD BE TO JUST LAY IT IN A NICE PADDED CASE AND IT WOULD LOOK TO BE IN ONE PIECE SO ITS BEAUTY COULD STILL BE ENJOYED. I ALSO BOW IN YOUR DIRECTION, YOU THE MAN

6th November 2009, 01:23 PM	#8
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	yo kino, have you fixed the krises yet???