Figural Dagger - Esmeralda?

katana · 6th December 2007, 08:47 PM

Now seriously...

What is the definition of a true Satanic Dagger ? AFAIK... I suppose the only true answer is a dagger that has been used in a satanic rite.
Although this is regarding Sikh weapons the analogy is the same....

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Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

As one Sikh I was speaking with described when asked how to properly identify a Sikh sword..."if the sword was used by a Sikh, then any sword is a Sikh sword"!
Jim

Has there ever been provenance with any examples of 'Satanic Dagger' to support its use and history ?

Many of the 'motifs' and designs on Satanic daggers are easily recognisable as symbolising 'death'. Isn't that what a dagger is for.....to stab and kill. Surely all functional edged weapons where designed to take life?

Couldn't a dagger decorated with skulls, skeletons, demons etc just mean.... with this knife I can take your life and send you, my enemy, to hell

Bearing in mind many old churches, graveyards and many works of Art also, carries the symbolism of skull, demons etc in their architecture, gravestones, statues and paintings (and are not satanic.)

Death, 'the great adventure' is a reminder of our mortality, the circle of life 'completed'. The life expecancy of our ancestors were much less than ours, death was expected around 'each corner', to cope....our ancestors faced 'death' head on, it seems that they, to diminish the fear, embraced 'death' as the 'ultimate truth' but had religion that could redeem them so, they could live in the 'after life' whether that be Valhalla or Heaven or the Elysian Fields.

"To die will be an awfully big adventure." Peter Pan (JM Barrie)

Tim Simmons · 6th December 2007, 09:05 PM

Like collections. Most probably these 19th century nic-nak letter opener daggers were made for a category of Victorian society that needed to show how literate and informed they thought they were rather than experiencing anything like the reality of a classics university education. Which reminds me of the Daily Mail Sunday supplement and the Franklin Mint.

Rick · 6th December 2007, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Like collections. Most probably these 19th century nic-nak letter opener daggers were made for a category of Victorian society that needed to show how literate and informed they thought they were rather than experiencing anything like the reality of a classics university education. Which reminds me of the Daily Mail Sunday supplement and the Franklin Mint.

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spiral · 6th December 2007, 10:53 PM

And I though it was the sound of one hand clapping!

spiral

Bill M · 7th December 2007, 01:46 AM

Gee, I thought it was the sound of no hands clapping.

Rick · 7th December 2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Marsh

Gee, I thought it was the sound of no hands clapping.

I just want you to know that all those years I spent riding herd on this board have made me this way ...

Tim Simmons · 7th December 2007, 05:03 PM

I post this series of pictures to show the eye technique on small faces and to show that I do not BS when talking about carving. I finished this today not my sort of thing but I know I will be able to sell it. I will remove then latter. I do not stick pins in them either.

Andrew · 7th December 2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by spiral

And I though it was the sound of one hand clapping!

spiral

A very Zen comment, Spiral.

http://www.io.com/~snewton/zen/onehand.html

spiral · 8th December 2007, 04:03 PM

Indeed Andrew, but I meant it for Tims likely interpritation!

Nice work indeed Tim, it would be good to see the finnished work. I am sure you could get good sales if you made some Satanic themed pieces or even pretty figural ones to be sold in the Daily mail suplement!

Actualy Ive rather wondered if this one might be a skilled reproduction, with an old blade?

Spiral

Tim Simmons · 8th December 2007, 06:56 PM

Its that one hand clapper again. I would rather just go to sleep and forget the whole ugly thing.

6th December 2007, 09:05 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Like collections. Most probably these 19th century nic-nak letter opener daggers were made for a category of Victorian society that needed to show how literate and informed they thought they were rather than experiencing anything like the reality of a classics university education. Which reminds me of the Daily Mail Sunday supplement and the Franklin Mint.

6th December 2007, 10:53 PM	#4
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	And I though it was the sound of one hand clapping! spiral

7th December 2007, 01:46 AM	#5
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Gee, I thought it was the sound of no hands clapping.

7th December 2007, 05:03 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	I post this series of pictures to show the eye technique on small faces and to show that I do not BS when talking about carving. I finished this today not my sort of thing but I know I will be able to sell it. I will remove then latter. I do not stick pins in them either.

8th December 2007, 04:03 PM	#9
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Indeed Andrew, but I meant it for Tims likely interpritation! Nice work indeed Tim, it would be good to see the finnished work. I am sure you could get good sales if you made some Satanic themed pieces or even pretty figural ones to be sold in the Daily mail suplement! Actualy Ive rather wondered if this one might be a skilled reproduction, with an old blade? Spiral

8th December 2007, 06:56 PM	#10
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,843	Its that one hand clapper again. I would rather just go to sleep and forget the whole ugly thing.