Origin of scabbards

ariel · 16th November 2007, 03:25 PM

I was unaware of the Bhutanese examples: does anybody have pictures to post?

Tim Simmons · 16th November 2007, 05:15 PM

These are commonly known as being Bhutanese but I do wonder if they are more likely to be from the foot hills rather than the Kingdom of Bhutan.

PUFF · 17th November 2007, 12:24 PM

Hi,
My hypothesis 's they are linked by their Austro-Indonesian root, especially between (Aboribinese)Taiwan and Philippine people.
I 'm currently in Taiwan. And I had mannaged to meet an aboriginese knife smith on eastern part of the island.
http://gsh.taiwanschoolnet.org/gsh20...sh/craft02.htm

In his shop, many knives are "real" enough. Although wooden parts and decoration are some distance away from custom/genuine quality but the blades are well heat treated and the tangs are secured with pins. His situation 's very much similar to those in Thailand, where many tradition knife making bussiness 's on their transformation from "knife/tool smith" to "souvineir manufacturer".

By the way, I have got 3 samples from him. They are souvineir/tool quality at reasonable prices.

PUFF · 17th November 2007, 12:37 PM

Their prices are range from 20 USD for boar hunter to 40-45 USD for longer peices.

As I told you, the blades are well treated and tangs are secured. They are absolutely functional.

But their down side 's the scabbards/handle are made of softwood (pine?) instead of hardwood. The rattan string are replaced with metal wire. And the decorations were burn-in instead of carve-in. But I could be wrong, though.

Do you guys have any genuine piece of austro-indonesian aboriginese knife/scabbard ?

dennee · 17th November 2007, 05:51 PM

The "Bhutanese" shortsword is the shortsword or "ban" of the Rongpa (generally known as Lepcha from the Nepalese "Lapche"). There were presumably some Lepchas in the heavily wooded valleys of Bhutan, but their homeland is more properly Sikkim, separated from Bhutan by the Tibetan Chumbi Valley. Of course, national boundaries fail to neatly circumscribe peoples.

yuanzhumin · 18th November 2007, 03:41 AM

Hi guys,
-For the Ebay knife, it is an “authentic” tourist knife made 50 years ago for the American troops stationed in Taiwan. The guy that bought it first here (in Taiwan), at the beginning of the 1950s, must have then been transferred to Japan. You can see another sample pictured on the page of my website plus my comments in general about the Taiwan aboriginal fake or tourist/airport art.
-For The Taiwan and the Philippines link, it has been demonstrated that Taiwan is the cradle of the Austronesian civilization. The Austronesian people went to the east to Easter Island, and to the west to Madagascar. The Hawaiian, the Tahitian, the Maoris…. are all from Austronesian origin. The indigenous people of Philippines are also, as the Philippines islands were the first they settled in when beginning their vast migration from Taiwan down to the whole Pacific. On the forum part of my website, I recently posted an article on this subject.
http://formosatribal.aceboard.com/27...an-origins.htm
-For the authentic stuff, I have around 20 authentic knives and other weapons from the Taiwan aborigines that are exhibited on my website. They are classified in different ethnic groups. Check on them and also on the links part, as you can find a link to museums and other websites interested in the same subject.
www.formosatribal.com
Best,
yuanzhumin

PUFF · 18th November 2007, 01:38 PM

That is!!!.. I was so stupid. There 's an aboriginese museum in Taipei, just 4 stations from my place. And I forgot that!!! I 'm leaving Taipei at the end of this month.... Better visit it on next weekend.

18th November 2007, 03:41 AM	#6
yuanzhumin Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ex-Taipei, Taiwan, now in Shanghai, China Posts: 180	Taiwan austornesian people and weapons Hi guys, -For the Ebay knife, it is an “authentic” tourist knife made 50 years ago for the American troops stationed in Taiwan. The guy that bought it first here (in Taiwan), at the beginning of the 1950s, must have then been transferred to Japan. You can see another sample pictured on the page of my website plus my comments in general about the Taiwan aboriginal fake or tourist/airport art. -For The Taiwan and the Philippines link, it has been demonstrated that Taiwan is the cradle of the Austronesian civilization. The Austronesian people went to the east to Easter Island, and to the west to Madagascar. The Hawaiian, the Tahitian, the Maoris…. are all from Austronesian origin. The indigenous people of Philippines are also, as the Philippines islands were the first they settled in when beginning their vast migration from Taiwan down to the whole Pacific. On the forum part of my website, I recently posted an article on this subject. http://formosatribal.aceboard.com/27...an-origins.htm -For the authentic stuff, I have around 20 authentic knives and other weapons from the Taiwan aborigines that are exhibited on my website. They are classified in different ethnic groups. Check on them and also on the links part, as you can find a link to museums and other websites interested in the same subject. www.formosatribal.com Best, yuanzhumin

16th November 2007, 03:25 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I was unaware of the Bhutanese examples: does anybody have pictures to post?

16th November 2007, 05:15 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,844	These are commonly known as being Bhutanese but I do wonder if they are more likely to be from the foot hills rather than the Kingdom of Bhutan.

17th November 2007, 12:24 PM	#3
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	Hi, My hypothesis 's they are linked by their Austro-Indonesian root, especially between (Aboribinese)Taiwan and Philippine people. I 'm currently in Taiwan. And I had mannaged to meet an aboriginese knife smith on eastern part of the island. http://gsh.taiwanschoolnet.org/gsh20...sh/craft02.htm In his shop, many knives are "real" enough. Although wooden parts and decoration are some distance away from custom/genuine quality but the blades are well heat treated and the tangs are secured with pins. His situation 's very much similar to those in Thailand, where many tradition knife making bussiness 's on their transformation from "knife/tool smith" to "souvineir manufacturer". By the way, I have got 3 samples from him. They are souvineir/tool quality at reasonable prices.

17th November 2007, 12:37 PM	#4
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	Their prices are range from 20 USD for boar hunter to 40-45 USD for longer peices. As I told you, the blades are well treated and tangs are secured. They are absolutely functional. But their down side 's the scabbards/handle are made of softwood (pine?) instead of hardwood. The rattan string are replaced with metal wire. And the decorations were burn-in instead of carve-in. But I could be wrong, though. Do you guys have any genuine piece of austro-indonesian aboriginese knife/scabbard ?

17th November 2007, 05:51 PM	#5
dennee Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: College Park, MD Posts: 186	The "Bhutanese" shortsword is the shortsword or "ban" of the Rongpa (generally known as Lepcha from the Nepalese "Lapche"). There were presumably some Lepchas in the heavily wooded valleys of Bhutan, but their homeland is more properly Sikkim, separated from Bhutan by the Tibetan Chumbi Valley. Of course, national boundaries fail to neatly circumscribe peoples.

18th November 2007, 01:38 PM	#7
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	That is!!!.. I was so stupid. There 's an aboriginese museum in Taipei, just 4 stations from my place. And I forgot that!!! I 'm leaving Taipei at the end of this month.... Better visit it on next weekend.