Origin of scabbards

Tim Simmons · 14th November 2007, 09:29 PM

ariel, Frankensword and now this, what fun! it is a mad world inhabited by the strangest of creatures

This is one of those tourist Taiwan things not cheap either

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Rich · 14th November 2007, 09:51 PM

Ariel wrote:

" Was there a common ethnic/geographic root for the three of them? "

Yes, the common root is to fleece tourists out of their money :-)
Common to all cultures, no specific ethnic nor geographic root.

Rich S

Rick · 14th November 2007, 10:38 PM

With respect to the Taiwanese aboriginal culture the 'open scabbard' link is with the Philippines .

The Naga, not so sure ........

Jim McDougall · 14th November 2007, 11:21 PM

Although I can't add anything constructive on this, I'd just like to note that Ariels question is very well placed, and I look forward to hearing some answers from those well versed on these weapons.

ariel · 14th November 2007, 11:50 PM

Well, boys, you had your laugh

Now, for the second part of my question: is there a link between the three ( or more?) open scabbards from Taiwan, Philippines and Assam?

Tim Simmons · 15th November 2007, 07:03 PM

You forgot Bhutan. Is there a link? I would only say in form and function, materials to hand and wealth. Nothing to do with technique as very good and expressive metalwork can be found in all the afore mentioned lands.

VANDOO · 16th November 2007, 05:43 AM

TAIWAN WW2, MOST LIKELY TOURIST OR JAPANESE WAR SOUVINEER BUT MIGHT BE A STYLE STILL IN USE LOCALLY. OVER PRICED UNLESS YOU GO BY THE PRICES IN THE $80.00 BOOK I WARNED ABOUT IN A PREVIOUS POST.

THE FOUR COUNTRYS MENTIONED USE THE OPEN SCABBARD TAIWAN AND BUTHAN USE THE METAL BANDS OR STAPLES BUT THE PHILIPPINE AND NAGA MODELS ONLY HAVE A FEW WOVEN BANDS NO METAL USED ON ANY I HAVE SEEN. THE OPEN SCABBARD SEEMS TO BE A GOOD IDEA IN WET RAINFOREST, TROPICAL JUNGLE AREAS AND PERHAPS HAS LINKS IN THE MIGRATIONS OF THE DISTANT PAST BEFORE HISTORICAL RECORDS. EVERYTHING FROM CUSTOMS, BELIEFS TO DRESS,ART AND WEAPONS SEEMS TO BE LINKED IN MANY WAYS ALL OVER THE WORLD. COMMON THEMES RUN THRU-OUT MANS HISTORY AS WELL AS A FEW BIG DIFERENCES IN SOME AREAS AND TIMES.

14th November 2007, 09:29 PM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	ariel, Frankensword and now this, what fun! it is a mad world inhabited by the strangest of creatures This is one of those tourist Taiwan things not cheap either .

14th November 2007, 09:51 PM	#2
Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	Ariel wrote: " Was there a common ethnic/geographic root for the three of them? " Yes, the common root is to fleece tourists out of their money :-) Common to all cultures, no specific ethnic nor geographic root. Rich S

14th November 2007, 10:38 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	With respect to the Taiwanese aboriginal culture the 'open scabbard' link is with the Philippines . The Naga, not so sure ........

14th November 2007, 11:21 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,459	Although I can't add anything constructive on this, I'd just like to note that Ariels question is very well placed, and I look forward to hearing some answers from those well versed on these weapons.

14th November 2007, 11:50 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Well, boys, you had your laugh Now, for the second part of my question: is there a link between the three ( or more?) open scabbards from Taiwan, Philippines and Assam?

15th November 2007, 07:03 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	You forgot Bhutan. Is there a link? I would only say in form and function, materials to hand and wealth. Nothing to do with technique as very good and expressive metalwork can be found in all the afore mentioned lands.

16th November 2007, 05:43 AM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	TAIWAN WW2, MOST LIKELY TOURIST OR JAPANESE WAR SOUVINEER BUT MIGHT BE A STYLE STILL IN USE LOCALLY. OVER PRICED UNLESS YOU GO BY THE PRICES IN THE $80.00 BOOK I WARNED ABOUT IN A PREVIOUS POST. THE FOUR COUNTRYS MENTIONED USE THE OPEN SCABBARD TAIWAN AND BUTHAN USE THE METAL BANDS OR STAPLES BUT THE PHILIPPINE AND NAGA MODELS ONLY HAVE A FEW WOVEN BANDS NO METAL USED ON ANY I HAVE SEEN. THE OPEN SCABBARD SEEMS TO BE A GOOD IDEA IN WET RAINFOREST, TROPICAL JUNGLE AREAS AND PERHAPS HAS LINKS IN THE MIGRATIONS OF THE DISTANT PAST BEFORE HISTORICAL RECORDS. EVERYTHING FROM CUSTOMS, BELIEFS TO DRESS,ART AND WEAPONS SEEMS TO BE LINKED IN MANY WAYS ALL OVER THE WORLD. COMMON THEMES RUN THRU-OUT MANS HISTORY AS WELL AS A FEW BIG DIFERENCES IN SOME AREAS AND TIMES.