Early Islamic Signature

rand · 5th November 2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rand

Is the signature or inscription readable? Is on an early Islamic blade.

http://earlyislamicsword.blogspot.com/

rand

Am working on translating this, are there four a's ( one vertical mark for beginning "a" and the three short marks on bottom for middle a's) and two l's?

rand

Jens Nordlunde · 5th November 2007, 09:35 PM

Rand, a very interesting observation, I wonder how many made the same observation - I did not, although I should have.

rand · 7th November 2007, 05:47 AM

Some Early Ottoman swords and one other.......

Top sword dates 1481-1512
Overall length 100cm
Blade length 85cm

Second sword dated 1506-7
Overall length 92cm
Blade length 81cm

Third sword
dated 1506-7
Overall length 95.5cm
Blade length 80.5cm

Fourth sword
Overall length 91cm
Blade length 79.5cm

Jens Nordlunde · 7th November 2007, 04:23 PM

A fantastic display Rand. One who may be able to help with a translation, is the former director of Top Kapi Museum in Istanbul, Yuncel - if he is still alive.
Jens

rand · 7th November 2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

A fantastic display Rand. One who may be able to help with a translation, is the former director of Top Kapi Museum in Istanbul, Yuncel - if he is still alive.
Jens

Hey Jens,

Have followed up on your suggestion and sent an email attention to him to the Islamic Research group he worked with....

rand

rand · 12th November 2007, 04:51 AM

Thanks to Sancar Ozar and his fellow Turkish Art historian have a translation of the inscriptions.

"Sorry for the late answer. I sent pictures of inscriptions on the kilic to a fellow art historian friend of mine from university who is very experienced on translating old letters. He was very busy and so he could return my e-mail today.Anyway according to his mail inscription in the picture is translated as "Bismillah" (İn the Name of Allah). He only could partially read the second inscription(which is in the right direction in the last picture you posted) because the gold inlay had partially come off. İt is a word, something like "namirun"(well, it is how it sounds when you write in Turkish,I guess it should sound like "neameeroon" for english sepakers). I have no idea what it means."

Thank You again Sancar and friend.....

rand

rand · 12th November 2007, 09:01 PM

Looked up namirun to see if it was Arabic, turns out it is and means tiger....

rand

7th November 2007, 05:47 AM	#3
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Some Early Ottoman Swords and One Other Some Early Ottoman swords and one other....... Top sword dates 1481-1512 Overall length 100cm Blade length 85cm Second sword dated 1506-7 Overall length 92cm Blade length 81cm Third sword dated 1506-7 Overall length 95.5cm Blade length 80.5cm Fourth sword Overall length 91cm Blade length 79.5cm Attached Images Last edited by rand; 7th November 2007 at 06:00 AM.

12th November 2007, 04:51 AM	#6
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Translation of signature Thanks to Sancar Ozar and his fellow Turkish Art historian have a translation of the inscriptions. "Sorry for the late answer. I sent pictures of inscriptions on the kilic to a fellow art historian friend of mine from university who is very experienced on translating old letters. He was very busy and so he could return my e-mail today.Anyway according to his mail inscription in the picture is translated as "Bismillah" (İn the Name of Allah). He only could partially read the second inscription(which is in the right direction in the last picture you posted) because the gold inlay had partially come off. İt is a word, something like "namirun"(well, it is how it sounds when you write in Turkish,I guess it should sound like "neameeroon" for english sepakers). I have no idea what it means." Thank You again Sancar and friend..... rand

12th November 2007, 09:01 PM	#7
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Namirun Looked up namirun to see if it was Arabic, turns out it is and means tiger.... rand

5th November 2007, 09:35 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Rand, a very interesting observation, I wonder how many made the same observation - I did not, although I should have.

7th November 2007, 04:23 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	A fantastic display Rand. One who may be able to help with a translation, is the former director of Top Kapi Museum in Istanbul, Yuncel - if he is still alive. Jens