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Old 21st October 2007, 12:06 AM   #1
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Default Mandau, it's not! What is it??

Tell me please

The scabbard is much longer than the sword. The sword fits right into the scabbard, which leads me to think that it's an original. I believe the little knife is detachable, but I don't want to force it off. The hilt is made of horn with similar decorated carvings on both sides of the pommel. There is a snake carved onto the scabbard. Also carved on the upper part of the scabbard is a human figure carrying a bucket or a pot. Wooden pegs hold the scabbard together.

Questions: Why is the scabbard longer than the sword?
How old is it?
What tribe?
Parang, what?
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Old 21st October 2007, 09:09 AM   #2
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This parang is supposed to be Iban and the hilt resembles the Niabor.
In Spring last year I was within a couple of weeks offered 2 resembling ones from 2 different dealers.
Both of them regulary visit Borneo to acquire Dayak parang and I wouldn't be surprised if they shared some sources?
Before that I have never seen it and I haven't found anything even slightly resembling in any museum databases or in any of the books and articles written about Borneo.
Yours is the third example and I can conclude comparing them that:

- all of them have much longer scabbards than blade (which is strange).
- all of them have Niabor resembling hilts but the carved hilt motifs are quite different on all three.
- all of them have the snake carved along the scabbard.
- 2 of 3 have the bucket-man motif.
- 2 of 3 have several old coins attached to the scabbard mouth (one of them had 4 and the other had 16!).
- the knife is detachable but of a form that is not typical Dayak?
- the other 2 had more brownish scabbards with just a bit of red showing compared to yours.
- to me the carvings look 20th C and the motifs are not what I have usually seen on parang scabbards.

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Old 21st October 2007, 09:59 AM   #3
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Hi I see a few off these It is an copy from the old ones that I see .
Old ones have similar carvings and coins on the scabbard .

Not much around these ones

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Old 21st October 2007, 02:48 PM   #4
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Thanks Mike and Ben for sharing your insight.
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Old 22nd October 2007, 08:26 PM   #5
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This parang is supposed to be Iban and the hilt resembles the Niabor.
In Spring last year I was within a couple of weeks offered 2 resembling ones from 2 different dealers.
Both of them regulary visit Borneo to acquire Dayak parang and I wouldn't be surprised if they shared some sources?
Before that I have never seen it and I haven't found anything even slightly resembling in any museum databases or in any of the books and articles written about Borneo.
Yours is the third example and I can conclude comparing them that:

- all of them have much longer scabbards than blade (which is strange).
- all of them have Niabor resembling hilts but the carved hilt motifs are quite different on all three.
- all of them have the snake carved along the scabbard.
- 2 of 3 have the bucket-man motif.
- 2 of 3 have several old coins attached to the scabbard mouth (one of them had 4 and the other had 16!).
- the knife is detachable but of a form that is not typical Dayak?
- the other 2 had more brownish scabbards with just a bit of red showing compared to yours.
- to me the carvings look 20th C and the motifs are not what I have usually seen on parang scabbards.

Michael


And here another one.....
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Old 22nd October 2007, 11:04 PM   #6
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Hi Arjan,

That is actually one of the two I was offered. IMHO the best one.

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Old 23rd October 2007, 01:28 AM   #7
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Mandaukudi,
Can you post photos of the blade?
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Old 23rd October 2007, 03:15 AM   #8
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Mandaukudi,
Can you post photos of the blade?


Here he comes........

Ben, did the original also have that strange knife attachment on the beginning of the blade in stead of the more usuall krowit? ( hooks)

It shows more to be a kind of hybride between nyabor with a swiss armyknife, maybe the dayaks added it to use that as can opener in the middle of the bush?

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Old 23rd October 2007, 06:09 AM   #9
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I ALSO HAVE ONE OF THESE THE BEST I COULD COME UP WITH AS A IDENITY FOR THESE WAS A PARANG NYABOR. IT IS NOT THE SAME BUT DOES HAVE SOME SIMULARITYS BUT NOT THE STRANGE BLADE ATTACHED TO THE MAIN BLADE. I AM NOT SURE IF THAT IS A REAL NAME OR NOT BUT I THOUGHT I HAD THE ONLY ONE OF THESE ODD SWORDS SO FIGURED THAT WAS GOOD ENOUGH. I WILL TRY AND TAKE SOME PICTURES OF MINE TO ADD HERE AS THERE ARE EVIDENTLY ENOUGH OF THESE AROUND TO QUALIFY AS A DISTINCT TYPE. I HAVE ATTACHED SOME PICTURES OF A SWORD WITH SOME SIMULARITYS THAT WAS IDENTIFED AS PARANG NYABOR.
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Old 23rd October 2007, 08:34 AM   #10
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Vandoo,

Somehow I recognize that Nyabor
Look forward to see your example.
Where did you find yours?

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Old 23rd October 2007, 05:44 PM   #11
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Hi The ones I did see that the knife was connected with the blade different than the ones I did see here


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Old 23rd October 2007, 08:33 PM   #12
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THE PICTURE OF THE NYABOR WAS ONE I GOT OFF THE NET OR FORUM SOMEWHERE AND WAS THE ONLY PICTURE I HAD OF SOMETHING SIMULAR. WAS IT YOURS? IF SO I HOPE YOU DON'T MIND MY USING IT, WISH IT WAS MINE

I AQUIRED MY EXAMPLE OF THIS UNSUUAL SWORD OVER 7 YEARS AGO ON EBAY FROM A SELLER IN SARAWAK, MALAYSIA. THE SELLER JUST CALLED IT A WARRIOR HEADHUNTER SWORD/MANDAU AND SAID IT WAS ABOUT 100 YEARS OLD. IT IS 36 INCHES WITH SCABBARD AND HAS A 22 IN. BLADE. THERE ARE NO COINS PRESENT ON MY EXAMPLE BUT THERE ARE LOTS OF HOLES FOR THEM AND THE REMAINS OF ADHESIVE. THEY ARE ON THE TOP PART OF THE SCABBARD AND ON THE FRONT AND SIDES. JUDGEING FROM THE PATINA THROUGHOUT I DO NOT DOUBT THE SWORDS AGE AT AROUND 100 YEARS BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS A WORKING WEAPON EVEN THEN BUT PERHAPS A CEREMONIAL ITEM THAT SPENT MOST OF ITS TIME HANGING ON A WALL. THE DRAGON NOT SNAKE AS MINE HAS LEGS AND THE MAN CARRING SOMETHING ARE MUCH THE SAME AS THE OTHER EXAMPLES. I WILL SEE IF I CAN ATTACH SOME PICTURES.
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Old 23rd October 2007, 09:49 PM   #13
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COULD NOT GET PICS UPLOADED IN POST WILL TRY AGAIN.
AS USUAL NO CAN DO .TOO LARGE AND MY COMPUTER WILL NOT ACCEPT THE SOFTWARE TO REDUCE THE SIZE. MODERN TECKNOLOGY BAH HUMBUG!!
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Old 24th October 2007, 12:56 AM   #14
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That sure is a nice Nyabor, huh VVV???!!!
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That sure is a nice Nyabor, huh VVV???!!!


And great provenance as well.

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