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27th September 2007, 09:55 PM
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Tombak
An old one ?
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27th September 2007, 10:21 PM
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Pak Usmen, I have not encountered any esoteric beliefs attached to dhapur laler mengeng.
I've just had a look at several books where I would expect to find mention of this if there was some belief attached to laler mengeng, and there is no mention of such a belief. Apart from this, there seems to be a little confusion about exactly what the characteristics of laler mengeng are. I've always known it as a straight keris with an inwards turning kembang kacang, as shown in Ensiklopedi, but some people seem to believe it is a straight keris with the kembang kacang in correct orientation, but constrained within the bounds of the gandhik. This is not at all unusual in discussion of dhapur; it can be a source for considerable disagreement between equally knowledgeable people.In fact, in my experience, almost everything to do with keris can generate unending discussion, especially if we have two---or more--- knowledgeable people, both of whom are convinced they are right--- when maybe there is no "right", and no "wrong", just different opinions. Rick, to me, this looks like a Mataram tombak where the metuk has lost form; the base of a Mataram metuk spreads more widely than the metuk in this tombak. This metuk is more like Tuban, but the blade body is totally unlike Tuban. To give a reasonably supportable opinion it would really be necessary to handle this tombak. |
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28th September 2007, 07:07 AM
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Two tombak.
The black one is a Mangkunegaraan Palace tombak, stamped on one face "99" & "1862", stamped on the other face "M" & "4". The brass brongsong on the landean is stamped "86" & "1862" A Surakarta classification tombak with metuk kinatah. |
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30th September 2007, 03:33 AM
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7th October 2007, 03:56 AM
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Korowelang (13 luks)
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I have similar tombaks as yours, although they maybe come from different tangguh. I hope, they are from Mataram era... With thirteen luks, so we call them (yours too) as tombak with dapur korowelang... Ganjawulung |
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7th October 2007, 04:15 AM
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Another Korowelang
This is another type of korowelang tombak, slimmer with 13 luks too. Hopefully from Mataram era...
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7th October 2007, 07:43 AM
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Hallo Gonjo welcome back to the waroeng I wonder why there are a lot of dapur korowelangs expected tangguh Mataram Sultanangungan (Sultan Agung Era). I have found them several times. Even I have one tombak similiar as yours. According to Stephen's Tombak, I agree with you that it is one type of barukuping. If Stephen hangs two small bells on the holes, it will be called baruklinthing [?](klinthing=small bell) . One of the legendary tombak in Jawa is Kiai Baruklinthing. Any kerislovers know where Kiai Baruklinthing is now?Kiai Baruklinthing was the grand pusaka of Ki Ageng Mangir (descent of Ki Ageng Giring). Babad Ki Ageng Mangir is just like a shakespeare/hamlet from England. It is believed that he is the ancestor of people who use Kolopaking as their family name. However, Kolopaking name was known long after Ki Ageng Mangir era (Kolopaking v. Arumbinang (his)-Strory). Warm salam, Usmen |
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7th October 2007, 04:21 PM
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Many Thanks
Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge Ganjawulung .
It is also nice to see tombaks of similar form . Do you have any comments on the metuk; it appears to be a seperate piece but it's hard to tell because the whole tombak is so eroded .
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8th October 2007, 06:33 AM
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It seems that your methuk is from the type of "methuk sekar", or methuk with pamor. Other types of methuk based on this categorization are: "methuk tretes" (methuk ornamented with kinds of precious stones, combined with silver of gold), "methuk kinatah" (methuk with gold ornaments like Mr Usmen's tombak of Kalacakra), "methuk serasah" (ornamented with thin layers of gold or silver), and "methuk wulung" or of flat black iron... But from the formation of the methuk, you may call it as "methuk rabi" (separated methuk), rather than "methuk iras" or one piece of methuk with the tombak blade. On methuk, I agree with Alan that methuk is one of the primary indicator if we want to determine the tangguh of the tombak. But it needs more studies on the tangguh of tombak... For comparation of the form of methuk, here I will show you the picture of my tombak from the Paku Buwono era (Solo after "palihan nagari" or the division of Mataram, after 1755)... Ganjawulung |
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21st October 2007, 10:25 PM
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11th December 2011, 09:24 AM
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Just want to share a Javanese tombak, dapur Biring Drajit..any opinions and comments are welcome.
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8th October 2007, 05:52 AM
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