A Rajput with his sword

Jim McDougall · 18th September 2007, 09:05 AM

Some notes concerning the Sikh photos posted by Lew. That extremely tall and unusual turban with the crescents etc. also carries the circular, sharp bladed discs termed 'quoit' or 'chakram'. These were thrown at the enemy either whirled around forefinger and released or held between thumb and forefinger and thrown underarm.
These seem primarily associated with the Sikh Akali sect.
It would be interesting to know if there were certain peculiarities or markings/motif key to the Sikhs of this sect on thier talwars, or other weapons.

Jens Nordlunde · 18th September 2007, 04:53 PM

Jeff,
The Raja from Rajasthan you show in post #4 could very well be from Bundi, as they seemed to have fancied this kind of ’lower’ hairstyle. Maybe it is even Maharao Raja Raghbir Singh as he and his father seem to have been especially fond of this style. If it is, the picture is likely to have been taken in the first quarter of 20th century.

Bill,
The tulwar discs you show in post #11 are interesting, but what does the hilt on the one to the right look like? The one with the steel 'pearls'.

Jim,
Here is another one, it has been shown before, but not in this connection.

galvano · 18th September 2007, 07:11 PM

Hello Jim
other photographs.
and the Arab mark on the blade
galvano

Tim Simmons · 18th September 2007, 07:20 PM

Could these marks refer to Sind or other areas now Pakistan? not Arab. The symbol is on the Pakistan flag.

Rick · 18th September 2007, 07:57 PM

Galvano,
Could you try another close up of the stamp on the blade ?
Wipe the oil away first .
Thanks,

That is a fine old warrior; I wonder if it's Afghan .

Jens Nordlunde · 18th September 2007, 10:45 PM

Good guess Rick. I wonder what the whole hilt looks like!

Rick · 19th September 2007, 05:37 AM

Hi Jens,
You can see it entire in post #6 .

Circles with dots on the rivet washers and the simple line and dot decoration of the hilt hint of it (my opinion); the blade stamp is possibly that of Mazar I Sharif ?
Or do I just imagine a slight resemblance to that mark everywhere I look ?

Then there's the terminal on the knucklebow which resembles the down turned quillon on a pulouar .

18th September 2007, 04:53 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Jeff, The Raja from Rajasthan you show in post #4 could very well be from Bundi, as they seemed to have fancied this kind of ’lower’ hairstyle. Maybe it is even Maharao Raja Raghbir Singh as he and his father seem to have been especially fond of this style. If it is, the picture is likely to have been taken in the first quarter of 20th century. Bill, The tulwar discs you show in post #11 are interesting, but what does the hilt on the one to the right look like? The one with the steel 'pearls'. Jim, Here is another one, it has been shown before, but not in this connection. Attached Images Last edited by Jens Nordlunde; 18th September 2007 at 06:03 PM.

18th September 2007, 07:11 PM	#3
galvano Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 178	guard Hello Jim other photographs. and the Arab mark on the blade galvano Attached Images

19th September 2007, 05:37 AM	#7
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Afghan Hi Jens, You can see it entire in post #6 . Circles with dots on the rivet washers and the simple line and dot decoration of the hilt hint of it (my opinion); the blade stamp is possibly that of Mazar I Sharif ? Or do I just imagine a slight resemblance to that mark everywhere I look ? Then there's the terminal on the knucklebow which resembles the down turned quillon on a pulouar . Last edited by Rick; 19th September 2007 at 05:46 AM. Reason: elaboration

18th September 2007, 09:05 AM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,670	Some notes concerning the Sikh photos posted by Lew. That extremely tall and unusual turban with the crescents etc. also carries the circular, sharp bladed discs termed 'quoit' or 'chakram'. These were thrown at the enemy either whirled around forefinger and released or held between thumb and forefinger and thrown underarm. These seem primarily associated with the Sikh Akali sect. It would be interesting to know if there were certain peculiarities or markings/motif key to the Sikhs of this sect on thier talwars, or other weapons.

18th September 2007, 07:20 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,925	Could these marks refer to Sind or other areas now Pakistan? not Arab. The symbol is on the Pakistan flag.

18th September 2007, 07:57 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Galvano, Could you try another close up of the stamp on the blade ? Wipe the oil away first . Thanks, That is a fine old warrior; I wonder if it's Afghan .

18th September 2007, 10:45 PM	#6
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Good guess Rick. I wonder what the whole hilt looks like!