Short bladed tulwar

Lew · 20th August 2007, 12:59 AM

Ian

I thought the same thing but the axis of the tip would be all wrong if you added 8-10 inches. The fuller runs lower than the tip. I also checked the hardened edge and it wraps up and around the the top of the tip. So if it were shortened it would have to have been reheat treated to have that effect at the tip.

Lew

CharlesS · 20th August 2007, 02:04 AM

I think it is simply a secondary side arm, and a darn nice one.

Tim Simmons · 20th August 2007, 09:18 AM

I agree with Ian and Charles. I think it may have been altered purposely and expertly creating a heavy cutting weapon rather like a barong. To me it looks like it handles very nicely. Very nice.

katana · 20th August 2007, 04:54 PM

Hi Lew
whereabouts is the 'point of balance'....it may help to determine whether this sword was shortened or made that size

BBJW · 20th August 2007, 05:56 PM

IMHO the blade was broken at some point and redone. I have some European swords in my collection that either been period shortened or broken and then saw naval usage. This piece was obviously too nice to be discarded or given to a child.

bbjw

ham · 20th August 2007, 06:14 PM

CharlesS is correct, this is a secondary weapon and there is nothing unusual about its size seen in that context. Such swords are not cavalry weapons-- rather, they are used for close foot-fighting of the sort in which a long blade would be a liability rather than a benefit-- a good parallel would be the wakizashi.
Its proportions and form in no way suggest that it has been shortened, actually it is quite a pleasing piece of work.

Ham

Henk · 20th August 2007, 07:18 PM

I agree with Ian and bbjw. If i look at the close up of the tip it says to me that the sword was shortened. The fuller ends very close to the tip like something is missing. Unfortunately we cann't see the sword in live.
Maybe I'm mistaken and Ham has a great knowledge of these type of weapons.

Fact is that we all agree that it is a beautiful sword.

Lew · 22nd August 2007, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katana

Hi Lew
whereabouts is the 'point of balance'....it may help to determine whether this sword was shortened or made that size

4.5 inches foward of the cross guard.

Lew

Fayaz94 · 25th April 2019, 06:23 PM

Hi Lew,

I know what that sword is as I practice an Indian battlefield art called shastar vidiya.
It's a sword for the God styles of fighting - 8 armed Goddess (asthbuja Deva chandika).
I've actually been looking for one like that for ages. The Arabic inscription on the spine probably indicates it was made by a Muslim sword smith or for someone of that faith despite it being a sword based off Indian mythology.
If you still possess the sword would you be willing to sell? As I have been seeking such an item for at least 3 years to train with. Let me know, many thanks.

20th August 2007, 12:59 AM	#1
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Ian I thought the same thing but the axis of the tip would be all wrong if you added 8-10 inches. The fuller runs lower than the tip. I also checked the hardened edge and it wraps up and around the the top of the tip. So if it were shortened it would have to have been reheat treated to have that effect at the tip. Lew Last edited by LOUIEBLADES; 20th August 2007 at 01:35 AM.

20th August 2007, 05:56 PM	#5
BBJW Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Idaho, USA Posts: 230	Broken IMHO the blade was broken at some point and redone. I have some European swords in my collection that either been period shortened or broken and then saw naval usage. This piece was obviously too nice to be discarded or given to a child. bbjw

20th August 2007, 02:04 AM	#2
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	I think it is simply a secondary side arm, and a darn nice one.

20th August 2007, 09:18 AM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,875	I agree with Ian and Charles. I think it may have been altered purposely and expertly creating a heavy cutting weapon rather like a barong. To me it looks like it handles very nicely. Very nice.

20th August 2007, 04:54 PM	#4
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Lew whereabouts is the 'point of balance'....it may help to determine whether this sword was shortened or made that size

20th August 2007, 06:14 PM	#6
ham Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 190	CharlesS is correct, this is a secondary weapon and there is nothing unusual about its size seen in that context. Such swords are not cavalry weapons-- rather, they are used for close foot-fighting of the sort in which a long blade would be a liability rather than a benefit-- a good parallel would be the wakizashi. Its proportions and form in no way suggest that it has been shortened, actually it is quite a pleasing piece of work. Ham

20th August 2007, 07:18 PM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I agree with Ian and bbjw. If i look at the close up of the tip it says to me that the sword was shortened. The fuller ends very close to the tip like something is missing. Unfortunately we cann't see the sword in live. Maybe I'm mistaken and Ham has a great knowledge of these type of weapons. Fact is that we all agree that it is a beautiful sword.

25th April 2019, 06:23 PM	#9
Fayaz94 Member Join Date: Apr 2019 Posts: 2	Hi Lew, I know what that sword is as I practice an Indian battlefield art called shastar vidiya. It's a sword for the God styles of fighting - 8 armed Goddess (asthbuja Deva chandika). I've actually been looking for one like that for ages. The Arabic inscription on the spine probably indicates it was made by a Muslim sword smith or for someone of that faith despite it being a sword based off Indian mythology. If you still possess the sword would you be willing to sell? As I have been seeking such an item for at least 3 years to train with. Let me know, many thanks.