Traditional Moro Kris Cleaning

tunggulametung · 18th August 2007, 11:34 PM

Hello Battara,

Thank you for your reply. I just re-read an article from Federico's Moro Swords (http://home.earthlink.net/~federicom...isgallery.html) and find an interesting paragraph below:

After sharpening the kris was then set in the hot sun to warm the blade. After a certain amount of time the blade was ready to be etched using various acidic citrus fruits. This etch would darken the blade as well as revealing the damascene pattern created by the Panday. It is said that the darkened blade was preferred as it would not glint in the sun thereby revealing a concealed Warrior.
Mmm, I think I get the picture now...thanks!

D Wilke · 19th August 2007, 12:16 PM

While in Jolo, Sulu I was shown an old traditional way to clean the blades.
We hollowed out a large section of bamboo (leaving the bottom section) and filled it with what I now know to be coconut vinegar - this was procured from some family up in the hills as it's not sold in the markets. This set-up worked great and dissolved both the dirt and rust along with bringing out the lamination. This took anywhere from overnight to three days depending on the condition of the blade and the vinegar lost its efficacy after about three blades - had to dump and refill with fresh vinegar.
This left the blades with a white residue which disappeared after a quick wipe down with gun oil. It's been a year since I treated my blades there and they still look great.

Tried the same method on an old Kora when I got home using regular vinegar and a section of PVC pipe - it worked great.

The biggest problem we had was treating the gangya as it didn't fit into bamboo section, we solved this with some duct tape and the cut off top section of a plastic jug attached to the top of the bamboo.

The same old gentleman that showed us this said that they also used to use star fruit but he didn't know the right process.

Dan

tunggulametung · 19th August 2007, 05:53 PM

Hello Dan,

Thank you for sharing with us. I believe coconut vinegar will also works well for this job, we use this too here in Indonesia (but much less popular compared to 'legendary' lime juice-as how would gin&tonic be without it

). I want to treat my moro kris as how they would be traditionally treated, that's why I ask the questions.

It is clear enough so far, but should anybody has different versions of method and material please be so kind to share it with us.

Cheers!

tunggulametung · 15th December 2007, 10:11 AM

I've cleaned this kris using the most traditional way I can imagine. Tools and ingredients are: lime juice, soil water, coconut husk, lerak fruit (sapindus rarak) and abu gosok (scrub ash). Before this I have gently use oil and soft sandpaper to remove thick rust and deep scrathes. I don't take off the hilt as I have limited knowledge with Moro kris and I'm affraid I will mess up with re-attachment. It left some dead rust but guess that's fine, at least for the momment.

I don't use detergent or baking soda, after I get the desired effect, I just scrub with lerak and abu gosok over and over and rise very very well and wipe with oil (I use modern multipurpose oil

).

Just want to share the result. I hope I'm doing right and get the closest traditional appearence possible.

I'm really a begginer with Moro kris and now I have below some questions regarding this piece:

Does anybody ever seen/have similar moro kris that having grain/crystal-like effect similar to mine? I've found similar iron in older Indonesian keris (see attached sample), any comments?
Does anybody seen similar roset-like stamp on the asang-asang? I've learned it is talismanic, but would this also suggest the region of origin?
After reading Cato's book regarding the 'elephant mouth' shape, I believe it is Maranao by origin. I'm I right? Does the hilt also suggest the origin?
The ganya seems to be relatively short, would you think it is normal or has been repaired? I like the kris they way it is, but just curious.

Thank you in advance for any comments.

Chandra

Rick · 15th December 2007, 05:07 PM

This is the closest effect I have seen that is in one of my Moro kris .

Ferguson · 15th December 2007, 08:07 PM

You have done a beautiful job sir!

Regarding the crystalline effect, I do have one gunong that has that characteristic. When you move the blade in the light, you can see sparkles in the steel. Almost like metal flake paint. It's very difficult for me to capture that in a picture, but here's the best one that I have.

Steve

tunggulametung · 16th December 2007, 12:33 PM

Rick and Steve, thank you.

I see the similarities. The grain of Rick's kris was similar to the blade center of my kris and the grain on Steve's gunong was similar to the one in my kris ganya, but are composed of smaller grains. In Indonesia, as far as I know, this kind of iron is appearing in older pieces (I'm referring to Javanese pieces). I thought it was a product of local mining. It is interesting to find the similar material used in southern Philippines.

Thank you again gentleman!

18th August 2007, 11:34 PM	#1
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	Thank you Hello Battara, Thank you for your reply. I just re-read an article from Federico's Moro Swords (http://home.earthlink.net/~federicom...isgallery.html) and find an interesting paragraph below: After sharpening the kris was then set in the hot sun to warm the blade. After a certain amount of time the blade was ready to be etched using various acidic citrus fruits. This etch would darken the blade as well as revealing the damascene pattern created by the Panday. It is said that the darkened blade was preferred as it would not glint in the sun thereby revealing a concealed Warrior. Mmm, I think I get the picture now...thanks!

19th August 2007, 12:16 PM	#2
D Wilke Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Okinawa, JN Posts: 22	Traditional cleaning While in Jolo, Sulu I was shown an old traditional way to clean the blades. We hollowed out a large section of bamboo (leaving the bottom section) and filled it with what I now know to be coconut vinegar - this was procured from some family up in the hills as it's not sold in the markets. This set-up worked great and dissolved both the dirt and rust along with bringing out the lamination. This took anywhere from overnight to three days depending on the condition of the blade and the vinegar lost its efficacy after about three blades - had to dump and refill with fresh vinegar. This left the blades with a white residue which disappeared after a quick wipe down with gun oil. It's been a year since I treated my blades there and they still look great. Tried the same method on an old Kora when I got home using regular vinegar and a section of PVC pipe - it worked great. The biggest problem we had was treating the gangya as it didn't fit into bamboo section, we solved this with some duct tape and the cut off top section of a plastic jug attached to the top of the bamboo. The same old gentleman that showed us this said that they also used to use star fruit but he didn't know the right process. Dan

19th August 2007, 05:53 PM	#3
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	Hello Dan, Thank you for sharing with us. I believe coconut vinegar will also works well for this job, we use this too here in Indonesia (but much less popular compared to 'legendary' lime juice-as how would gin&tonic be without it). I want to treat my moro kris as how they would be traditionally treated, that's why I ask the questions. It is clear enough so far, but should anybody has different versions of method and material please be so kind to share it with us. Cheers!

15th December 2007, 10:11 AM	#4
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	Moro Kris Etching Attempt I've cleaned this kris using the most traditional way I can imagine. Tools and ingredients are: lime juice, soil water, coconut husk, lerak fruit (sapindus rarak) and abu gosok (scrub ash). Before this I have gently use oil and soft sandpaper to remove thick rust and deep scrathes. I don't take off the hilt as I have limited knowledge with Moro kris and I'm affraid I will mess up with re-attachment. It left some dead rust but guess that's fine, at least for the momment. I don't use detergent or baking soda, after I get the desired effect, I just scrub with lerak and abu gosok over and over and rise very very well and wipe with oil (I use modern multipurpose oil ). Just want to share the result. I hope I'm doing right and get the closest traditional appearence possible. I'm really a begginer with Moro kris and now I have below some questions regarding this piece: Does anybody ever seen/have similar moro kris that having grain/crystal-like effect similar to mine? I've found similar iron in older Indonesian keris (see attached sample), any comments? Does anybody seen similar roset-like stamp on the asang-asang? I've learned it is talismanic, but would this also suggest the region of origin? After reading Cato's book regarding the 'elephant mouth' shape, I believe it is Maranao by origin. I'm I right? Does the hilt also suggest the origin? The ganya seems to be relatively short, would you think it is normal or has been repaired? I like the kris they way it is, but just curious. Thank you in advance for any comments. Chandra Attached Images

15th December 2007, 05:07 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	This is the closest effect I have seen that is in one of my Moro kris . Attached Images

15th December 2007, 08:07 PM	#6
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	You have done a beautiful job sir! Regarding the crystalline effect, I do have one gunong that has that characteristic. When you move the blade in the light, you can see sparkles in the steel. Almost like metal flake paint. It's very difficult for me to capture that in a picture, but here's the best one that I have. Steve

16th December 2007, 12:33 PM	#7
tunggulametung Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 238	Rick and Steve, thank you. I see the similarities. The grain of Rick's kris was similar to the blade center of my kris and the grain on Steve's gunong was similar to the one in my kris ganya, but are composed of smaller grains. In Indonesia, as far as I know, this kind of iron is appearing in older pieces (I'm referring to Javanese pieces). I thought it was a product of local mining. It is interesting to find the similar material used in southern Philippines. Thank you again gentleman!