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14th August 2007, 03:54 PM
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Have a feeling you are most likely correct.... rand |
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14th August 2007, 04:02 PM
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Clipped Point
Hey Jim,
The clipped point is inusual, its more to the Russian or Dutch taste. When I first saw this sword about 16 years ago displayed about 16' above the floor, remember my first impression was that it may be Russian, only seeing the sword sheathed. Can't remember if I was able to see the blade before buying it..... rand Last edited by rand; 14th August 2007 at 04:38 PM. |
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14th August 2007, 04:24 PM
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I have occasionally seen these points on British Mamelukes as well. All the Best Jeff |
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14th August 2007, 04:46 PM
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Clip Point
Jeff,
Interesting point (bad pun) or I get the point (bad pun II, the sequel) rand could not resist some levity... Jeff, Your blade looks a though it may be a pattern weld? Is it? The chevron shaped designs on the chape are very interesting. rand Last edited by rand; 14th August 2007 at 06:37 PM. |
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14th August 2007, 06:41 PM
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Posted in classified swap section
Posted this sabre in classified swap section but is owned by me so is OK to continue discussion. Wanted to open this sword for opinions whle I have it...
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15th August 2007, 05:35 AM
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You're very welcome Rand, I'm glad to be able to offer anything helpful on this very handsome sabre. There were many outfitters in India to provide dress and presentation weapons for British officers, many of them private makers and many such as Manson in Calcutta handled regulation patterns.
There were of course also such outfitters in Egypt and in Aden in Arabia. Thank you Jeff for showing the clipped tip mameluke blade, which were indeed often seen on these. If not mistaken, this clipped point was favored on many German cavalry blades in the 18th century which of course ended up with British swords. In one reference book , "Schwert Degen Sabel" by Gerhard Siefert (1962) in a line drawing group illustrating terms for varying blade forms, such a tip is referred to as a 'pandour point'. The association to these flamboyant auxiliary troops seems unclear, but the blade feature is known on some 18th century French blades as well. With these instances considered, it does seem distinctly a European favored feature and not typically occurring on Indian, Arabian or Mamluk swords. Since 'damascus' blades were not produced in the European blade centers (as far as I know  that used this distinct clipped point, this blade is clearly an intriguing anomaly with interesting historical potential. All best regards,' Jim |
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15th August 2007, 12:34 PM
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To me the damascus pattern seems to have been acid etched I see areas where there are breaks or worn spots in the pattern. This may have been a European made to look like an Arabic sword. Notice on the center picture that the pattern comes all the down to the edge? The bottom pic shows a wide splotchy area where they got a bit sloppy with the wax the hilt has the same pattern on it and since the grip would be oval in cross section I don't think the pattern could be exact pattern the same as a flat blade. Still a very nice sword.
Lew Last edited by LOUIEBLADES; 15th August 2007 at 01:01 PM. |
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