keris and spirit

[pakana]

Hello to all,

What about keris picit or putut kembar? Do you think that these kerises possesss special "power"? Some say that if a keris is "built" by the fingers, then is much more powerful than an ordinary one..Also the "praying priests" indicate something about the keris? Something spiritual maybe? Ganjagulung can you enlight us?

george

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by pakana

What about keris picit or putut kembar? Do you think that these kerises possesss special "power"? Some say that if a keris is "built" by the fingers, then is much more powerful than an ordinary one..Also the "praying priests" indicate something about the keris? Something spiritual maybe? Ganjagulung can you enlight us?

george

Hi George,
i am not mastering in 'spiritual power' in kerises. Though, I will help you to get a bit of information on that. Keris pichit, in Javanese term known as "keris pejetan". Simple model of kerises, which have kind of "traces" as if of "finger pressing" at the blade. Some "puthut kembar" (twin priests) have kind of "finger pressing" like this, but not always. Keris pejetan, usually iras or without ganja (one piece blade).

Many myths surrounds this type of simple blade. But many stories, connected these simple made kerises to a woman name of Empu Ni Mbok Sombro -- some believed she was a woman empu from the Pajajaran era (before Majapahit era, about 10th century). Yes, some people believed that such kerises have kind of "power".

Keris pejetan, known also as keris with "luk samun" (hidden luks). Some people, even counts the numbers of pejetan in the blade. Some have 11, or 13 pejetans, as if they are luks in kerises -- though the blades are actually straight kerises. So, keris pejetan is a "straight keris but with luks"...

The simple appearance, believed to show the intention of the maker or makers that such kerises were not for "weapon", but for special meaning. May be amulet, talisman, or kind of that. The iron of the blade, usually is good kind of old iron. Usually, the dhapur is "brojol", the most simple model of straight keris..

Puthut kembar, is often "mistakenly" mentioned as "keris umyang". Umyang actually was not a dhapur name, but a name of a famous long living empu believed to live in the very end of Majapahit era, and into Demak, Pajang and the beginning of Islamic Mataram era. The appearance of this kind of keris, is quite simple, though "attractive" because of the odd reliefs of puthut in the "gandhik" (front base of keris) and "wadidang" (rear base of keris). Umyang, known as an eccentric empu, so the keris which was widely named as "keris umyang" believed to have certain magical power. It is just my humble information...

Ganjawulung

[pakana]

Thanks Ganjawulung for the info,

Are there any info for the keris with pamor Tiban? As I know, this kind of pamor is unplanned by the empu, and it had something to do with the will of Heaven for this keris..That gives a special "spiritual" meaning to the keris or no?

george

[PenangsangII]

Dear George,

Tiban literally means fall, so pamor tiban means pamor that falls from the heaven (I quote you) on a keris. Of course pamor tiban has some mystical references to it, depending on what type of pattern. Ensikloplidi Keris would be able to tell you more of the mystical properties of certain pamor pattern .

Penangsang

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by pakana

Are there any info for the keris with pamor Tiban? As I know, this kind of pamor is unplanned by the empu, and it had something to do with the will of Heaven for this keris..That gives a special "spiritual" meaning to the keris or no?

george

There are two types of pamor, based on the making of it. The first is -- as you said -- unplanned pamor by the empu. Yes, you may call it as "God-given pamor". (The type of pamor that Mr Haryono Haryoguritno called it as "pamor jwalana" in his book, "Keris Jawa, Between Myth and Logical Reasoning).

On the contrary, is "pamor rekan" or "engineered pamor" -- for instance: pamor ron kendhuru, lar gangsir, walang sinundukan etc. The empu was engineering so carefully the material of pamor, that the result could manifest the planned pamor. (Mr Haryono Guritno called it as "pamor anukarta")

Some unsuspected pamor, such as "raja gundhala" believed by them who believed it -- could gave certain power or good effect to the owner of the keris. Or pamor "sumber mas" (fountain of gold) -- usually the form is like a couple of layered circles in the ganja or the separated base of the keris.

That is just a tiny info on "pamor tiban"...

Ganjawulung

[pakana]

Thank you so much for the reply Penangsang and Ganjawulung.

Unfortunately Javanese is not my native language, so I don't have access to items such as Ensiclopedi Keris

george

[pakana]

Greetings keris spiritualists

I would like to share a strange incident with you, and I would like to hear your opinions/thoughts. It happend several years ago, on my first trip to Java.

During that trip I had my first keris. I bought it from a market place. I was very happy for my purchase, because I was trying to get one for sometime.

When I got back to my hotel, I put the keris on the desk of the room and went to sleep. It was a very strange night, because all night long I woke up several times with the feeling that I was shaking from inside, like I was possesed by something. That was the first, and the last time I had that kind of "visit".

Next day I had a talk with some friends that live in Indonesia, and they said that maybe it was the spirit of the empu, checking the new owner.

Any thoughts/similar incidents?

george

[pakana]

One more thing.

On my next trip,I've learned that a week after the seller sold the keris, his wife accidentally died..spooky

george