Persian Shamshir with Turkish Hilt

rand · 11th August 2007, 02:03 AM

There are two words for this swords....

Sah-Weet!!!

rand

rand · 11th August 2007, 08:00 AM

The upper cartouche says:

Bandeye Shah Velayat Abbas

"Unsure of the English translation, know it refers to Shah Abbas, maybe (owned by Shah Abbas)? Will update the translation later."

I now have an update on this inscription,

ABBAS BANDEH-I SHAH -I WILAYAT
(Abbas, the servant of the Lord of All)

rand

rand · 16th August 2007, 05:31 PM

loaded pics on web site.....

rand · 16th August 2007, 05:34 PM

More pics loaded to site

rand · 16th August 2007, 05:41 PM

In the bottom photo showing the spine of the blade, note the silver inlayed into the oclussion. Have only seen inlay into oclussions done on well made blades, usually with silver. Could it be a trend of a certain manufacturing area or a certain blade maker? Have had one example that had gold inlayed into the oclussion.

Also want to point out the pitting on cross guard.

rand

ALEX · 16th August 2007, 06:37 PM

Rand,
These are very nice swords. AssadAllah and Shah Abbas stamps are typical combination indicating a maker (most probably a School) and a ruling principal. The pitting on a crossguard is a nice indication of it's age

As for the line at the ridge of the blade: Yes, many wootz shamshirs have it!!!!! It indicates a last fold when the sword was made. My personal guess is that the maker's intention was to show that the blade was indeed folded (as to proove the process). I can see them saying to the buyer: "Look, it was folded 1000 times, and this is the last fold line"

Just like modern dealers say: "Look, it is hand made". An inlay could have been added for decoration purposes, and/or to protect the opening from dust, debree... and blood

Again, purely my guess.
Very nice collection. Do these swords have any scabbards?

rand · 16th August 2007, 07:24 PM

Hello Alex,

Neither of the two shamshirs pictured in the photo have a scabbard. However, the shamshir with the wider quillons had a sister sword, that on the pommel was "Keeper of the Gate" (Farsi?) inlaid in gold and it had a scabbard with two suspension rings mount with identical decoration, that sword hung in the Turkish manner at a 90 degree angle.

If I had some period quality suspension ring mounts would certainly have scabbards made to house these two swords.

rand

11th August 2007, 02:03 AM	#1
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Two Words for this sword There are two words for this swords.... Sah-Weet!!! rand

11th August 2007, 08:00 AM	#2
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Update on Inscription Translation The upper cartouche says: Bandeye Shah Velayat Abbas "Unsure of the English translation, know it refers to Shah Abbas, maybe (owned by Shah Abbas)? Will update the translation later." I now have an update on this inscription, ABBAS BANDEH-I SHAH -I WILAYAT (Abbas, the servant of the Lord of All) rand

16th August 2007, 05:31 PM	#3
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Posting pics loaded pics on web site..... Attached Images

16th August 2007, 05:34 PM	#4
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	More pics Attached More pics loaded to site Attached Images

16th August 2007, 05:41 PM	#5
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Silver Inlay in Oclussion In the bottom photo showing the spine of the blade, note the silver inlayed into the oclussion. Have only seen inlay into oclussions done on well made blades, usually with silver. Could it be a trend of a certain manufacturing area or a certain blade maker? Have had one example that had gold inlayed into the oclussion. Also want to point out the pitting on cross guard. rand

16th August 2007, 06:37 PM	#6
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	An Oclusion (FOLD LINE) Rand, These are very nice swords. AssadAllah and Shah Abbas stamps are typical combination indicating a maker (most probably a School) and a ruling principal. The pitting on a crossguard is a nice indication of it's age As for the line at the ridge of the blade: Yes, many wootz shamshirs have it!!!!! It indicates a last fold when the sword was made. My personal guess is that the maker's intention was to show that the blade was indeed folded (as to proove the process). I can see them saying to the buyer: "Look, it was folded 1000 times, and this is the last fold line" Just like modern dealers say: "Look, it is hand made". An inlay could have been added for decoration purposes, and/or to protect the opening from dust, debree... and blood Again, purely my guess. Very nice collection. Do these swords have any scabbards?

16th August 2007, 07:24 PM	#7
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Scabbards Hello Alex, Neither of the two shamshirs pictured in the photo have a scabbard. However, the shamshir with the wider quillons had a sister sword, that on the pommel was "Keeper of the Gate" (Farsi?) inlaid in gold and it had a scabbard with two suspension rings mount with identical decoration, that sword hung in the Turkish manner at a 90 degree angle. If I had some period quality suspension ring mounts would certainly have scabbards made to house these two swords. rand