Kilij with square kufic inscriptions

rand · 10th August 2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

in arabic 975 = ٩٧٥

976- 29 (3%) + 622 = 1568

Don't know what the rest of the inscription says,

don't know if this is date for being made or a reference to something else.

But would like to know, there is a huge gap to fill of translations of Turkish inscriptions, espsecially translated to English.

But all the small clue when added up will help form a better opinion.

Received information this is not a date.....

rand

Battara · 10th August 2007, 08:13 PM

It also looks like you have at least one bismallah (name of God) and a Qur'anic verse.

Masterful work done on this - beautiful!

rand · 11th August 2007, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Battara

It also looks like you have at least one bismallah (name of God) and a Qur'anic verse.

Masterful work done on this - beautiful!

Do you have an opinion as to the time period the calligraphy in the inscription was done on this kilij?

Thanks,

rand

Battara · 12th August 2007, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by rand

Do you have an opinion as to the time period the calligraphy in the inscription was done on this kilij?

Thanks,

rand

Unfortunately I don't have a clue (yes I am clueless

), sorry. However I can tell you that by what I can see in the pictures, there is a combination of true gold inlay and gold overlay - more like koftgari on the raised places.

rand · 12th August 2007, 07:34 PM

Hi Battara,

The kilij at start of thread is all gold inlay, its type of channel cut with gold pressed into it.

The use of koftgari did become more popular in the 13th-14th centuries when certain alloys were in short suppy, especially silver. This change is reflected on brass/bronze metalware of that period.

As far as Suleymans sword posted above I have no idea what type of gold application was done, but we can assume price was no object. Would be very interesting to find out the answer to your question.

Thanks,

rand

rand · 14th August 2007, 05:41 AM

Hey Battera,

Some of the inlay had a triangular punch overlaping grooxe made that the gold was applied into, there was a further line incised around the perimeter that marked the edged of the letter and I assume also helped adhere the gold to the blade.

rand

12th August 2007, 07:34 PM	#5
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Gold Inlay Hi Battara, The kilij at start of thread is all gold inlay, its type of channel cut with gold pressed into it. The use of koftgari did become more popular in the 13th-14th centuries when certain alloys were in short suppy, especially silver. This change is reflected on brass/bronze metalware of that period. As far as Suleymans sword posted above I have no idea what type of gold application was done, but we can assume price was no object. Would be very interesting to find out the answer to your question. Thanks, rand

14th August 2007, 05:41 AM	#6
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Gold Inlay Hey Battera, Some of the inlay had a triangular punch overlaping grooxe made that the gold was applied into, there was a further line incised around the perimeter that marked the edged of the letter and I assume also helped adhere the gold to the blade. rand

10th August 2007, 08:13 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,308	It also looks like you have at least one bismallah (name of God) and a Qur'anic verse. Masterful work done on this - beautiful!