Magnetic weapons

Mare Rosu · 9th March 2005, 04:58 PM

JENS
In an earlier post I stated that the tip end compass was pointing in the wrong direction, and I did not know why.
I think I have an explanation for the confused compass.
While I was doing the Case knife test that was suggested by FEARN I inadvertently got the compass to close to the magnetic knife holder and it switched the needle magnetic field, to where outside the house the needle pointed South instead of North.
I did demagnetize the compass using a demagnetizer and then re-magnetized it back to "normal".
The moral of this story is be careful with your compasses and strong magnetic fields from any source.

ANN
Your most welcome on the wootz ingots/bar. Just let me know when you are ready for them.

You also asked about where I got the wootz ingots. All of the items came from Oriental-Arms, Artzi. My first wootz ingot, the one that has the inscriptions on it was reportedly to have come from the Alwar armory.

RIVKIN
I did try to determine the conductance of the blade for any variances but the meter I have is just not sensitive enough to detect any change along the blade.
I did find something unusual, the cast bronze? hilt has a ~1 Meg Ohm resistance from the blade to the hilt end, indicating some sort of resistance between the two.

Gene

Jens Nordlunde · 9th March 2005, 09:41 PM

Gene you have lost me - way out in the wilderness - do you think you can find me again?
What does - '~1 Meg Ohm resistance from the blade to the hilt end, indicating some sort of resistance between the two.' mean?
Really, the whole thing is so easy, so why do you explain it in such a difficult way - sorry - I think have an idea why.

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Jens

Mare Rosu · 9th March 2005, 10:19 PM

JENS
I do not ask hard questions. You are the one that started all of this "Magnetic Weapons" hard question stuff

What I am saying is that the metal handle is not directly connected electrically to the blade there is a one million ohm resistance between the two. In other words the hilt is not conductive to the blade, it is insulated form the blade so much so that if you were to energize the blade and you were to hold just the hilt you would not feel the anything from the blade being energized. Just another mystery of the dagger I call Mysore.
I hope this get you back out of the woods we need you here to ask the hard questions

Yes, your idea/thinking has merit, I have said before you are very astute

Gene

Jens Nordlunde · 10th March 2005, 01:44 PM

Thank you for the ‘translation’ Gene. I am still a bit confused, but on a higher level

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Does the insulation also mean anything when it comes to magnetism?
My questions can’t be that difficult to answer, as most of them have been answered

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Jens

Mare Rosu · 12th March 2005, 07:19 PM

JENS
I have failed to follow up on my closing part of this great thread of yours.
I have no idea as to what effect if any the insulation of the hilt has on the weird magnetic properties of the dagger I call Mysore.

I also stated I would take some pictures of the reversed pointing compass (points South not North), caused by the strong magnetic field of the knife holder in the test suggested by FEARN.
The first picture shows the South pointing needle and the second one is after I demagnetized it and magnetized it back to normal and the third picture is the little demagnetizer I used for the process. The little hole is to place a blade of screwdriver into to make the blade magnetic.

I must commend you on this excellent idea you had on the question of "Magnetic Weapons". It was for me a great learning process and also great fun, a hard to beat combination!
I just hope you did not get to upset with me on my Southern kidding to you on the "hard questions" comments, I made, all in jest, all in jest.

You did good!

Andrew · 13th March 2005, 01:29 AM

Gene,

Your dagger (Mysore) is fantastic. Thank you for sharing it, and your results.

Great thread.

Andrew

Jens Nordlunde · 13th March 2005, 11:06 AM

Gene, I did not, quite honestly, think this thread would be as big as it is. Although it was a surprise to me, there have been many most interesting posts. Your experiments, your pictures and your humour has made sure, that the thread did not end up being too dry – thank you very much. Also thank you very much to all the other contributors for valuable information’s.

It was very nice of Andrew to make it a sticky, as I think many more than the contributors have been reading on the thread and learned, that there is more to a sword/dagger than a blade and a hilt.

Jens

tom hyle · 18th August 2011, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mare Rosu

JENS

What I am saying is that the metal handle is not directly connected electrically to the blade there is a one million ohm resistance between the two. In other words the hilt is not conductive to the blade, it is insulated form the blade so much so that if you were to energize the blade and you were to hold just the hilt you would not feel the anything from the blade being energized. Just another mystery of the dagger I call Mysore.

Gene

Might I suggest that the handle is filled/adhered with pitch, which is not a good electrical conductor? I often imagine copper alloy hilts being cast directly onto the blade, and it certainly has been done, but sticking the two together with pitch seems more prevalent.

Jens Nordlunde · 19th August 2011, 09:45 PM

I am sorry that I can't comment on the subject, as I don't know anything about it, but I found the dagger very interesting.
Jens

9th March 2005, 10:19 PM	#3
Mare Rosu Deceased Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA, DEEP SOUTH, GEORGIA, Y'all hear? Posts: 121	Questions,Questions, Questions JENS I do not ask hard questions. You are the one that started all of this "Magnetic Weapons" hard question stuff What I am saying is that the metal handle is not directly connected electrically to the blade there is a one million ohm resistance between the two. In other words the hilt is not conductive to the blade, it is insulated form the blade so much so that if you were to energize the blade and you were to hold just the hilt you would not feel the anything from the blade being energized. Just another mystery of the dagger I call Mysore. I hope this get you back out of the woods we need you here to ask the hard questions Yes, your idea/thinking has merit, I have said before you are very astute Gene

12th March 2005, 07:19 PM	#5
Mare Rosu Deceased Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA, DEEP SOUTH, GEORGIA, Y'all hear? Posts: 121	INSULATION JENS I have failed to follow up on my closing part of this great thread of yours. I have no idea as to what effect if any the insulation of the hilt has on the weird magnetic properties of the dagger I call Mysore. I also stated I would take some pictures of the reversed pointing compass (points South not North), caused by the strong magnetic field of the knife holder in the test suggested by FEARN. The first picture shows the South pointing needle and the second one is after I demagnetized it and magnetized it back to normal and the third picture is the little demagnetizer I used for the process. The little hole is to place a blade of screwdriver into to make the blade magnetic. I must commend you on this excellent idea you had on the question of "Magnetic Weapons". It was for me a great learning process and also great fun, a hard to beat combination! I just hope you did not get to upset with me on my Southern kidding to you on the "hard questions" comments, I made, all in jest, all in jest. You did good! Attached Images

9th March 2005, 04:58 PM	#1
Mare Rosu Deceased Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: USA, DEEP SOUTH, GEORGIA, Y'all hear? Posts: 121	JENS In an earlier post I stated that the tip end compass was pointing in the wrong direction, and I did not know why. I think I have an explanation for the confused compass. While I was doing the Case knife test that was suggested by FEARN I inadvertently got the compass to close to the magnetic knife holder and it switched the needle magnetic field, to where outside the house the needle pointed South instead of North. I did demagnetize the compass using a demagnetizer and then re-magnetized it back to "normal". The moral of this story is be careful with your compasses and strong magnetic fields from any source. ANN Your most welcome on the wootz ingots/bar. Just let me know when you are ready for them. You also asked about where I got the wootz ingots. All of the items came from Oriental-Arms, Artzi. My first wootz ingot, the one that has the inscriptions on it was reportedly to have come from the Alwar armory. RIVKIN I did try to determine the conductance of the blade for any variances but the meter I have is just not sensitive enough to detect any change along the blade. I did find something unusual, the cast bronze? hilt has a ~1 Meg Ohm resistance from the blade to the hilt end, indicating some sort of resistance between the two. Gene

9th March 2005, 09:41 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Gene you have lost me - way out in the wilderness - do you think you can find me again? What does - '~1 Meg Ohm resistance from the blade to the hilt end, indicating some sort of resistance between the two.' mean? Really, the whole thing is so easy, so why do you explain it in such a difficult way - sorry - I think have an idea why. . Jens

10th March 2005, 01:44 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Thank you for the ‘translation’ Gene. I am still a bit confused, but on a higher level . Does the insulation also mean anything when it comes to magnetism? My questions can’t be that difficult to answer, as most of them have been answered . Jens

13th March 2005, 01:29 AM	#6
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	Gene, Your dagger (Mysore) is fantastic. Thank you for sharing it, and your results. Great thread. Andrew

13th March 2005, 11:06 AM	#7
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Gene, I did not, quite honestly, think this thread would be as big as it is. Although it was a surprise to me, there have been many most interesting posts. Your experiments, your pictures and your humour has made sure, that the thread did not end up being too dry – thank you very much. Also thank you very much to all the other contributors for valuable information’s. It was very nice of Andrew to make it a sticky, as I think many more than the contributors have been reading on the thread and learned, that there is more to a sword/dagger than a blade and a hilt. Jens

19th August 2011, 09:45 PM	#9
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	I am sorry that I can't comment on the subject, as I don't know anything about it, but I found the dagger very interesting. Jens