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rand · 5th August 2007, 08:09 PM

Good question Fernando,

Just looked at frequently asked questions and saw no guidelines posted about that. I have just startd posted here again in the last couple weeks and assumed all antique arms and armor, which would include firearms but i do not know. Have some Islamic firearms I would like to discuss also and want to know what forum would be acceptable. Guess this would include canons too..... Would that include catapults and bows too? I know we have discussed edged weapons from the bronze age to about WWI which is from a bronze Persian sword to a Caucasian kindjal

I anxiously await the answer on this one.

rand (the patient one)

kai · 5th August 2007, 09:11 PM

Firearms as well as any odd pieces are ok AFAIK - they have been occasionally discussed here already. Military issue pieces won't qualify as ethnographic - I don't think we have been overly strict with old military sabers/etc. though...

I'm sure more knowledgeable folks will also point you to additional sources if needed - just give it a shot!

Regards,
Kai

katana · 5th August 2007, 10:28 PM

IMHO Ethnographic weapons surely include all 'projectile' types as well (bows, slings, catapults and firearms)
As to the question of military pieces and their relevance to Ethnographic weaponry......many cultures had to fight Colonial rule. The interesting thing is many of these cultures adopted variants/styles of colonial weaponry. Surprisingly this happened in reverse to,

fernando · 5th August 2007, 11:02 PM

One thing is the input, the other is the output.
Certainly the posting of the most varied items in the Forum has been more accepted by the moderators than the response obtained by the members at large. We know that for some of them the definition of ethnographic is equivalent to tribal ... pass the definition of tribal.
One may come up with a less gentilic specimen, just en passant, not meaning this is the Forum nourishment, but certainly not injecting it as a sin. However the noise of silence makes the balance pends to a determined side, which tastes are well defined.
Firearms postings usually find little response over here. Fans of this area seem to be posting elsewhere, which is a pitty, as this is a unique Forum.
Here goes my "Queene Anne", not necessarily for historical or technical discussion, but for sharing its elegance with those interested in these things.
I wish i could find here the answers to my questions.
All the best to all.

ariel · 5th August 2007, 11:39 PM

Personally, I dislike firearms intensely: carried them far too much in the past.
I do not collect them, do not intend to buy them, do not read about them and do not have anything to add to the discussion about them.
Having said that, I have no objection to the idea of people posting threads on antique firearms. As a matter of fact, it would only add to the combined expertise and the diversity of this Forum.
Perhaps, Firearms could become a separate sub-Forum, akin to the Kris. I am all for it.

fernando · 6th August 2007, 12:37 AM

Naturally each one has his own opinnion, we were all made to be different.
This is an Ethnographic Arms and Armour Forum.
In the assumption that firearms are dislikeable because we have carried them far too much in the past, i personaly don't see any difference between them and edged weapons, as the purpose is or has been precisely the same ... just a question of time or context. Active firearms, same as active white arms, are forcingly and deeply comdemnable. One basic reason i see for contemplating old weapons, fire or edged being not different, is to remind us what we should hate to use, to stop man being the only species that hunts its own kind. Some other reasons woul be consumism and aesthetics, simple or mechanicaly animated. Its a question of taste.
With all respect.

Jim McDougall · 6th August 2007, 01:12 AM

I'm glad Fernando posted this, and I think it is indeed a valid subject whether ethnographic weapon or not as it is in degree associated. Just as with edged weapons, the weapons of colonial powers often diffused into native armouries and if nothing else, even the firearms are interesting from historical perspective.
I fail to see what possible connection there is between negative associations with the guns of today and historical weapons of yesteryear. I do not particularly 'like' guns either as a result of unfortunate personal experience, however I do very much enjoy the 'history of weapons' overall.

Getting to the question, probably one good source would be the 'antique and military swords forum over on SFI. The guys over there seem to be equally involved in one degree or another with a wide scope of weaponry, and I am sure many would have certain knowledge on guns of this period. One of the best sources, if you ever can find them, are auction catalogs, as far as simple identification. As far as books, "British Military Firearms" by Howard Blackmore (I do not recall date) has excellent information, however it would seem your pistol is private issue.

The 'Queen Anne' period is a highly romanticized period, mostly for its associations with the 'golden age' of piracy, and your pistol certainly seems to handsomely represent the time, an extremely nice example.
I hope this will be of some help

All the best ,
Jim

5th August 2007, 08:09 PM	#1
rand Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 539	Good Question Good question Fernando, Just looked at frequently asked questions and saw no guidelines posted about that. I have just startd posted here again in the last couple weeks and assumed all antique arms and armor, which would include firearms but i do not know. Have some Islamic firearms I would like to discuss also and want to know what forum would be acceptable. Guess this would include canons too..... Would that include catapults and bows too? I know we have discussed edged weapons from the bronze age to about WWI which is from a bronze Persian sword to a Caucasian kindjal I anxiously await the answer on this one. rand (the patient one)

5th August 2007, 11:02 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	One thing is the input, the other is the output. Certainly the posting of the most varied items in the Forum has been more accepted by the moderators than the response obtained by the members at large. We know that for some of them the definition of ethnographic is equivalent to tribal ... pass the definition of tribal. One may come up with a less gentilic specimen, just en passant, not meaning this is the Forum nourishment, but certainly not injecting it as a sin. However the noise of silence makes the balance pends to a determined side, which tastes are well defined. Firearms postings usually find little response over here. Fans of this area seem to be posting elsewhere, which is a pitty, as this is a unique Forum. Here goes my "Queene Anne", not necessarily for historical or technical discussion, but for sharing its elegance with those interested in these things. I wish i could find here the answers to my questions. All the best to all. Attached Images

5th August 2007, 09:11 PM	#2
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Firearms as well as any odd pieces are ok AFAIK - they have been occasionally discussed here already. Military issue pieces won't qualify as ethnographic - I don't think we have been overly strict with old military sabers/etc. though... I'm sure more knowledgeable folks will also point you to additional sources if needed - just give it a shot! Regards, Kai

5th August 2007, 10:28 PM	#3
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	IMHO Ethnographic weapons surely include all 'projectile' types as well (bows, slings, catapults and firearms) As to the question of military pieces and their relevance to Ethnographic weaponry......many cultures had to fight Colonial rule. The interesting thing is many of these cultures adopted variants/styles of colonial weaponry. Surprisingly this happened in reverse to,

5th August 2007, 11:39 PM	#5
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Personally, I dislike firearms intensely: carried them far too much in the past. I do not collect them, do not intend to buy them, do not read about them and do not have anything to add to the discussion about them. Having said that, I have no objection to the idea of people posting threads on antique firearms. As a matter of fact, it would only add to the combined expertise and the diversity of this Forum. Perhaps, Firearms could become a separate sub-Forum, akin to the Kris. I am all for it.

6th August 2007, 12:37 AM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Naturally each one has his own opinnion, we were all made to be different. This is an Ethnographic Arms and Armour Forum. In the assumption that firearms are dislikeable because we have carried them far too much in the past, i personaly don't see any difference between them and edged weapons, as the purpose is or has been precisely the same ... just a question of time or context. Active firearms, same as active white arms, are forcingly and deeply comdemnable. One basic reason i see for contemplating old weapons, fire or edged being not different, is to remind us what we should hate to use, to stop man being the only species that hunts its own kind. Some other reasons woul be consumism and aesthetics, simple or mechanicaly animated. Its a question of taste. With all respect.

6th August 2007, 01:12 AM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,192	I'm glad Fernando posted this, and I think it is indeed a valid subject whether ethnographic weapon or not as it is in degree associated. Just as with edged weapons, the weapons of colonial powers often diffused into native armouries and if nothing else, even the firearms are interesting from historical perspective. I fail to see what possible connection there is between negative associations with the guns of today and historical weapons of yesteryear. I do not particularly 'like' guns either as a result of unfortunate personal experience, however I do very much enjoy the 'history of weapons' overall. Getting to the question, probably one good source would be the 'antique and military swords forum over on SFI. The guys over there seem to be equally involved in one degree or another with a wide scope of weaponry, and I am sure many would have certain knowledge on guns of this period. One of the best sources, if you ever can find them, are auction catalogs, as far as simple identification. As far as books, "British Military Firearms" by Howard Blackmore (I do not recall date) has excellent information, however it would seem your pistol is private issue. The 'Queen Anne' period is a highly romanticized period, mostly for its associations with the 'golden age' of piracy, and your pistol certainly seems to handsomely represent the time, an extremely nice example. I hope this will be of some help All the best , Jim