|
|
|
29th July 2007, 04:13 PM
|
#1 | |
|
Member
Join Date: May 2007
Location: J a k a r t a
Posts: 991
|
Quote:
This is just small additional notes on the specific term of "rondo beser" (widow that too often goes to toilet) you mentioned in your post. The term "rondo beser", is only used in a keris or kerises which have "sogokan" (one of two vertical niches in the sor-soran or the base of a keris). It is called "rondo beser" if the "sogokan" has perforated (not crack, but kind of hole in the sogokan). If you mentioned "dhapur sombro", it must be a keris which has no sogokan. Thus, the right term is not "rondo beser", but "pamengkang jagat" (crack in the middle of the base of keris, in vertical position...) Sombro, actually is the name of a female empu of Pajajaran, around 10th century. And not the name of dhapur. The forms of kerises made by "Ni mBok Sombro" (designation of this female empu), usually was very simple. (See Ensiklopedi Keris, Bambang Harsrinuksmo page 439) Keris without sogokan, but some of them (believed) usually has kind of "traces of finger press" along the blade... Some Javanese people -- according to Bambang Harsrinuksmo -- believed that kerises (many of them with the very simple in form and also in metal material) made by sombro have "invisible power"... Ganjawulung |
|
|
|
|
10th August 2007, 08:29 PM
|
#2 |
|
Member
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 199
|
Pamengkang Jagad / Rondo Beser
Dear Kerislovers,
Finally, as I promised you, I upload keris, shape: sombro with Pamengkan Jagad or Rondho Beser. Hope you will enjoy and continue the discussion of spirit and (inside) keris. warm regards, Usman |
|
|
|
|
12th August 2007, 06:58 AM
|
#3 |
|
Member
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 199
|
Dear Kerislovers,
Now, we have well-information about "Pamengkang Jagad" and "Rondho Beser". One still neglected is "Combong". Three of them have a similiar characteristic which having hole in their blade, dont they? I havent ever seen "Combong". I just hear about it. Does anyone have an information about Keris "Combong"? Instead of lack of forging, a lot of people believe Keris Combong has great spiritual power especially to lure. If I am not mistaken. Perhaps, as I started, we can share images of Pamengkan Jagad, Rondho Beser dan Combong for enriching ours. Warm regards, Usman |
|
|
|
|
12th August 2007, 08:48 AM
|
#4 | |
|
Member
Join Date: May 2007
Location: J a k a r t a
Posts: 991
|
Quote:
As far as I know, the crack in your betok is not "pamengkang jagat", but "combong". Pamengkang jagat is not as big crack as combong. Often, the pamengkang jagat's crack only one piece of hair size. Some stones (agates) can have "combong" crack too, and some people believed such stones have certain "power". I don't know the exact English word for "combong". May be big crack in a hard material, something like that... Ganjawulung |
|
|
|
|
|
12th August 2007, 09:15 PM
|
#5 |
|
Member
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 74
|
Hello to all,
What about keris picit or putut kembar? Do you think that these kerises possesss special "power"? Some say that if a keris is "built" by the fingers, then is much more powerful than an ordinary one..Also the "praying priests" indicate something about the keris? Something spiritual maybe? Ganjagulung can you enlight us? george |
|
|
|
|
13th August 2007, 04:18 AM
|
#6 | |
|
Member
Join Date: May 2007
Location: J a k a r t a
Posts: 991
|
Quote:
i am not mastering in 'spiritual power' in kerises. Though, I will help you to get a bit of information on that. Keris pichit, in Javanese term known as "keris pejetan". Simple model of kerises, which have kind of "traces" as if of "finger pressing" at the blade. Some "puthut kembar" (twin priests) have kind of "finger pressing" like this, but not always. Keris pejetan, usually iras or without ganja (one piece blade). Many myths surrounds this type of simple blade. But many stories, connected these simple made kerises to a woman name of Empu Ni Mbok Sombro -- some believed she was a woman empu from the Pajajaran era (before Majapahit era, about 10th century). Yes, some people believed that such kerises have kind of "power". Keris pejetan, known also as keris with "luk samun" (hidden luks). Some people, even counts the numbers of pejetan in the blade. Some have 11, or 13 pejetans, as if they are luks in kerises -- though the blades are actually straight kerises. So, keris pejetan is a "straight keris but with luks"... The simple appearance, believed to show the intention of the maker or makers that such kerises were not for "weapon", but for special meaning. May be amulet, talisman, or kind of that. The iron of the blade, usually is good kind of old iron. Usually, the dhapur is "brojol", the most simple model of straight keris.. Puthut kembar, is often "mistakenly" mentioned as "keris umyang". Umyang actually was not a dhapur name, but a name of a famous long living empu believed to live in the very end of Majapahit era, and into Demak, Pajang and the beginning of Islamic Mataram era. The appearance of this kind of keris, is quite simple, though "attractive" because of the odd reliefs of puthut in the "gandhik" (front base of keris) and "wadidang" (rear base of keris). Umyang, known as an eccentric empu, so the keris which was widely named as "keris umyang" believed to have certain magical power. It is just my humble information... Ganjawulung |
|
|
|
|
|
13th August 2007, 04:58 PM
|
#7 |
|
Member
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 74
|
Thanks Ganjawulung for the info,
Are there any info for the keris with pamor Tiban? As I know, this kind of pamor is unplanned by the empu, and it had something to do with the will of Heaven for this keris..That gives a special "spiritual" meaning to the keris or no? george |
|
|
|
 |
|
|
Hybrid Mode
