Bugis Celebes Keris / info on age/dapur ?

David · 27th July 2007, 04:36 PM

Hey Rick, i found some nice pics of another example here:
http://tengkurizan.fotopic.net/c1071527.html
Marco, take a closer look at this pamor. It might be a bit more than you originally thought it was.

asomotif · 27th July 2007, 04:58 PM

Very nice blade David.
Seems I have to clean up mine just a little more and give it some etching with lemon.

But, Raja abala raja = King busy king correct

Is the meaning of this pamor known?

Alam Shah · 28th July 2007, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

Very nice blade David.
Seems I have to clean up mine just a little more and give it some etching with lemon.

But, Raja abala raja = King busy king correct

Is the meaning of this pamor known?

Raja Abala Raja means... king with a force of kings; maharaja.

Looking at the pamor pattern... likely it seems that "a force is being reinforced again and again... from base to tip", symbolically.

Some Javanese believed that this pamor have the 'tuah' to make it's owner more charismatic and 'powerful'. Some also believed that this pamor can deflect danger in the battlefield.

David, Tengkurizan is a friend. I've seen his pieces up close and personal. Many great examples. Normally, I would ponder who, the original owner of such keris was?

asomotif · 31st July 2007, 12:28 PM

Dear Alam and the other forumites.

Terimah Kasih Banjak !

I got so much wiser by this thread.
Thanks a lot !

asomotif · 31st August 2009, 12:14 PM

In addition to this old thread I found a picture of a similar simple toli toli on the website of the Tropenmuseum at Amsterdam.

Are there other examples where the toli toli is extremely simple compared to the rest of the keris ?

BluErf · 31st August 2009, 01:50 PM

I've seen quite a few examples of such kerises with fabric toli-toli, even on pieces with legitimate old gold pendok with red staining (i.e. a royal piece). That piece came from a European dealer, and was unlikely to have been messed with. Hence, I'm inclined to believe that fabric toli-toli are proper for old Bugis kerises.

27th July 2007, 04:58 PM	#2
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	RAJA ABALA RAJA Very nice blade David. Seems I have to clean up mine just a little more and give it some etching with lemon. But, Raja abala raja = King busy king correct Is the meaning of this pamor known?

31st August 2009, 12:14 PM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	simple rope toli toli In addition to this old thread I found a picture of a similar simple toli toli on the website of the Tropenmuseum at Amsterdam. Are there other examples where the toli toli is extremely simple compared to the rest of the keris ? Attached Images

27th July 2007, 04:36 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Hey Rick, i found some nice pics of another example here: http://tengkurizan.fotopic.net/c1071527.html Marco, take a closer look at this pamor. It might be a bit more than you originally thought it was.

31st July 2007, 12:28 PM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Dear Alam and the other forumites. Terimah Kasih Banjak ! I got so much wiser by this thread. Thanks a lot !

31st August 2009, 01:50 PM	#6
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	I've seen quite a few examples of such kerises with fabric toli-toli, even on pieces with legitimate old gold pendok with red staining (i.e. a royal piece). That piece came from a European dealer, and was unlikely to have been messed with. Hence, I'm inclined to believe that fabric toli-toli are proper for old Bugis kerises.